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Domestic v. Foreign truck quality

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Offline Boojum1

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« on: March 09, 2007, 11:11:45 AM »
Moderator Note:  this topic was originally split off from here.  Further discussion was split off from yet another topic.

Toyota had a big display at the TPW Expo.  Looks like they're trying to get in touch with their "inner redneck" with tricked out trucks, NASCAR sponsorships, pro-fishing sponsorships, and other patch and paint type marketing.  If they want to donate to parks and such then thats even better.   Their cars are very dependable, which is marketing enough for me.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 11:20:55 AM »
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Toyota had a big display at the TPW Expo.  Looks like they're trying to get in touch with their "inner redneck" with tricked out trucks, NASCAR sponsorships, pro-fishing sponsorships, and other patch and paint type marketing.  If they want to donate to parks and such then thats even better.   Their cars are very dependable, which is marketing enough for me.


Me too. But, you have to speak to the level of the average domestic truck driver. NASCAR and fishing make a bigger impression than value and reliability; otherwise, Toyota would already own the redneck market as well.

There is no logic for why someone would spend $35K on a vehicle that has historically poor reliability (Ford/Chevy/Dodge...just look at the historical Consumer Report data that is published every year, which belies the marketing claims of those companies), rather than spending the same $35K on a Toyota that is ultra reliable.

To each their own. I do suppose that making repeated repairs to unreliable vehicles does have some positive effect on the economy.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 01:23:50 PM »
Fortunately (or not), my truck decisions are more like $20K, and my Ford has performed admirably for 90k miles.   At $35k I start having conceptual problems due to my first home purchase at $47k.  I agree, though, about penetrating the bubba market.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2007, 01:41:47 PM »
My average truck purchase is about $500.   :cry:
Funny... I have a story about that...

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 01:45:04 PM »
It's amazing how many of those unreliable American vehicles keep running for over 200,000 miles.  I have a friend who retired his S10 with almost 300,000 miles and another friend with a F150 who sold it in good running condition @ 200,000 miles.  Mine only has 115,000 on it.  Runs great.  Other than routine maintenance I've just had to put new spark plug wires on it.  Not that Toyota doesn't make good trucks and cars because they do.  And they have done more to increase the quality of all vehicles because they have been the quality leader and forced competition.  Anyway, these days most cars and trucks from the major manufacturers sold in the US are made in the US regardless of brand.

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 02:18:55 PM »
I am driving an unreliable F-350 4x4  with 201,000 miles on it. Dent in right side dent in left front 150 gals of d, used off and on road, hunting fishing. Other than oil change, brake job and new alternator this winter have had no problems.  :shock:
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 02:56:53 PM »
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It's amazing how many of those unreliable American vehicles keep running for over 200,000 miles.  I have a friend who retired his S10 with almost 300,000 miles and another friend with a F150 who sold it in good running condition @ 200,000 miles.  Mine only has 115,000 on it.  Runs great.  Other than routine maintenance I've just had to put new spark plug wires on it.  Not that Toyota doesn't make good trucks and cars because they do.  And they have done more to increase the quality of all vehicles because they have been the quality leader and forced competition.  Anyway, these days most cars and trucks from the major manufacturers sold in the US are made in the US regardless of brand.

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True about the orgins of 'foreign' vehicles...and has been the case for some time. Regarding reliability reports of the 'home' brands.....there's always exceptions, and the fortunate few who get them, but my comment was about the general fleet reliability, which is way behind the 'foreign' models, again, well-documented in the Consumer Reports analysis. There also is the occasional Toyota or Nissan or Honda clunker....but they, too, are the exception. Equally telling, is how those occasional clunkers are handled by their makers compared to the formerly 'big' 3.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 03:55:02 PM »
Here's a comparison plot of Ford, GM, Daimler-Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda stock over the past decade.


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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 04:25:26 PM »
From the early 70's through the mid-80's I drove Volvos.  Never bought one with less than 100,000 miles on it.  Never sold one that was worn out.  Consumer Reports always rated them poorly back then - yet they were a very well built car.  They down rated them because little things would go wrong and have to be fixed despite the overall quality and soundness of the vehicle.  In fact the first vehicle I drove to BiBe was 1968 144.  Anyway I always take Consumer Reports Car ratings with a grain of salt because a "bad" rating does not always mean a bad car or truck.

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2007, 05:08:37 PM »
I drive , also an unreliable F-350 Diesel. The club guys always told me to leave the pick up at home because i am going to hold them back due to mechanical problems and so on. Funny that now they call it the Jeep recovery vehicle. 275,000 miles on it...and going strong.

  Oh, I forgot i just installed a new diesel engine. Did not need it, but i wanted it anyway.

 I have seen the Toyotas and Nissan on diesel versions...they are like tractors....tough as nails :!:
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 05:45:48 PM »
My 1991 Mitsubishi Montero just might be the best vehicle ever made.
I know, I know...I'm biased.

216K miles, original alternator, muffler...but that's about it.
Last year I put a new engine in it....didn't really need to I guess, but like Homero, just thought it was time.
It was my "baby" before I had babies.
I call it the last "TRUE" sport utility made.
Definitely has some things that they just don't do anymore.

Real chrome bumpers -
Decent to very good approach/departure angles -
NO airbags
NO high mounted tail light
Gutters! (more chrome)
Corner widows (don't know what you call those...but I don't think ANY maker makes them any more.
Metal dashboard.
Spare mounted outside.

Ok...see, I like this thing.  This isn't mine, but it looks similar...I like driving a car that is not depreciating any more!

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2007, 05:56:21 PM »
Hey , you what Vince?..the same picture, but with all your kiddos..just awsome !!
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2007, 06:10:59 PM »
whatever the product, i like to get quality and at a reasonable price.....having said that, did you here about the guy here in San Antonio whose new Ford F-150 caught fire because of their recall on the cruise control shorting out?  It also caught his house on fire and burned that down too.  Isolated account, perhaps, but it seems  every time you turn around, Ford's got a major safety recall.

Before you judge the poor guy: He took his Ford into the dealership to have the recalled part replaced.  They were out and told him to come back later.

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2007, 06:33:54 PM »
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but it seems  every time you turn around, Ford's got a major safety recall.


Part of why the company may cease to exist. Since quality was 'Job 1' at Ford for so many years (don't hear much about that anymore), you have wonder how poorly they did at all the lesser-priority jobs. :shock:

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Before you judge the poor guy: He took his Ford into the dealership to have the recalled part replaced.  They were out and told him to come back later.


Ford's pre-trial settlement, or post-trial verdict will likely further affect their bottom line. While I think the US is way too litigious, sometimes it IS appropriate. This is one of those times. A shoddy product, constituting a known safety hazard and the company fails to adequately address the known demand for replacement parts when a diligent customer makes the effort to have the problem fixed. It's a lawyer's dream case.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 07:44:05 PM »
Go to Consumer Reports website and look at recalls.  None are exempt as best I can tell.  For example:

'04-06 Toyota Prius

Under certain conditions, steering assembly could loosen or crack, possibly resulting in loss of control and crash.

Models: 170,000 hybrid vehicles. Hazard may occur if steering wheel is turned forcefully to the locked position at low speed or if tires contact roadside curb while driving. There have been no reports of accidents or injuries related to this condition, according to Toyota.

What to do: Have dealer make necessary repairs. For information, call 800-331-4331.


99-02 Jeep Wrangler, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee

Problem: Debris could accumulate near one of engine cylinders and cause fire under hood.

Models: 1,115,322 sport-utility vehicles, with 4.0-liter engine, made 6/98 to 3/02, including the following: '00-01 Cherokee, '99-02 Grand Cherokee, and '00-02 Wrangler.

What to do: Have dealer install manifold shield to modify the intake and exhaust airflow and to prevent debris from building up near No. 3 cylinder.

Al

 


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