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Domestic v. Foreign truck quality

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SHANEA

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2007, 06:09:33 PM »
Knock on wood, my 2005 Chevy Avalanche Z71 LT edition has preformed without nary a problem that was not owner induced - currently at about 45K miles - of course, I did take out the 100K GM bumper to bumper warranty.  Best vehicle I have ever owned, and it was assembled in Mexico!

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2007, 08:56:08 PM »
Add me to the growing list of Ford owners weighing in on this.  I've purchased 4 of my own, and had 2 company supplied Ford trucks in the past 20 years.  My current F150, an 05 model is approaching 80K miles with nothing more than oil changes and fuel stops and still has a nice, new feel to it.  I expect a few more years of that reliability. I'm sure there are other good values on the market, Toyotas included, but I'm sticking with Ford until I get a bad one.  Mine was no where near $35K either, and if that's the going price for a replacement I won't be, to quote Shane, "stimulating the economy" for a long, long time.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2007, 10:22:36 PM »
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Mine was no where near $35K either, and if that's the going price for a replacement I won't be, to quote Shane, "stimulating the economy" for a long, long time.


What a deal!  I got a steal of a deal on mine.  Fully decked out sans the rear seat entertainment systems.  Dealer demo ordered for the Sales Manager at Lawerence Marshall, whom I'd recommend, with about 7k miles on it - MSRP of around $48k, and with all the rebates, GM credit card points, "internet special" rebate, "internet special of $250 in free gas", a promise to buy from them in the future, and wheeling and dealing - I love negotiating with dealers (remember, you can always walk away), I got it for $28K and got a few extras tossed in too.

At the time, my employer was making parts for this vehicle platform, so I had to help out the best way that I could...  At least try to keep a job.  But,  :oops: I have owned two Mazda Miatas in my history.

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 10:52:58 PM »
Add me to the list of satisfied Ford owners.  We have two 2x4 F150s.  A 2002 with over 75k miles and a 2003 with over 100k miles.  Both have been great vehicles.  I Had to replace the transmission and spark plugs on the 2003.  I can't fault ford for the transmission since I didn't get the hauling package but use that truck to haul a 3500lb (loaded) water trailer over hilly roads 2-3 times weekly, plus other trailer hauling and lots of off road driving.

That being said, I think my next vehicle will be a 4x4 Nissan Pathfinder.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2007, 12:54:40 PM »
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That being said, I think my next vehicle will be a 4x4 Nissan Pathfinder.


They're pretty nice, but if you want something a little more off-road worthy, you should get a 4Runner (I'll have to admit at this point that I own a 2003 4Runner which has taken 16 trips West of the Pecos from Fort Worth, and it's a beast off-road compared with most stock vehicles).

I think the bottom line here is that ALL vehicles have gotten better in quality over the past 20 years, and much of this can be traced to the Japanese emergence in the U.S. markets.  Ram's and F150's and Silverado's are all better because of the Tundra, etc.  I'm glad I've got a lot of choices in the market.  

That said, I'd take a Mercedes Bluetec Diesel engine, in a Toyota Sequoia body, riding on solid axles and a 3 inch lift with 33 inch MTR tires mounted.  The perfect semi-efficient, off-road worthy family hauler. :D

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Offline RichardM

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2007, 01:04:24 PM »
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I think my next vehicle will be a 4x4 Nissan Pathfinder.

Don't they recommend burning premium in those?  What's up with that?  Unless you're talking performance sports cars, there's no reason why they can't put in engines that'll run fine on lower octane.

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2007, 01:25:27 PM »
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That being said, I think my next vehicle will be a 4x4 Nissan Pathfinder.
Actually, I don't remember all the reasons WHY I'm leaning toward to Pathfinder.  I was originally looking at a Hummer H3.  Their website has a comparison function where you could select similar vehicles for review.  To my amazement, Hummer's website convinced me that the Pathfinder was better for my needs.  Two factors I remember where passenger seating and much better towing capacity.  I'm sure, I'll do more research before a final decision and purchase.
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2007, 01:38:06 PM »
My 1992 Toyota pickup 4x4 has 393,000 miles on it and still going strong.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2007, 01:57:11 PM »
Cars I've owned:

'87 Dodge Dakota - I bought it with about 100k on the odometer and only drove it for about 26k more.  Three alternators, carb rebuild, radiator, rebuilt transmission, and plenty of other things I can't remember.  Also many other things that just didn't work that I could live without.   This isn't meant to be a knock on Dodge, the thing did have 100k+ miles on it.

'92 Nissan 240sx.  Purchased with 86k miles.  No work other than new brake pads/shoes/turned rotors had ever been done to it.  I put another 60k miles on it, only changing the oil every 4k - 5k miles.  When I sold it, everything worked still and it ran like a top.   Only car I ever really regretted getting rid of.

'98 Nissan Sentra.  Purchased with 14k miles, I then proceeded to rack up another 146k miles in four years.  This car never spent a day or even an hour in the shop.  Two problems the whole time I had it, alternator went out at about 75k, then the wiper motor died at around 85k.  I replaced both parts myself.  Other than a brake job, oil changes, and burned out headlights, I never spent a dime on that car.  

'02 Nissan Frontier.  25k miles, currently right under 90k.  I've only had to do a brake job on it (did myself), it's never been in the shop.  I change the oil myself about every 5k miles.  It does have a few annoying quirks, primarily being the cruise control and the driver's side brake light don't work when the headlights are turned ON.  

My whole point being, I've been very happy with my Nissans.  I can't comment too much on Ford/GM/Chrysler as I've never owned one.  Their falling sales speak for themselves I think.

On that note, my brother (kdann), drives a 1974 Volkswagen Super Beetle.  Two years since the engine rebuild, zero problems. (though it could use an alignment)  :D
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2007, 02:04:44 PM »
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'87 Dodge Dakota - I bought it with about 100k on the odometer and only drove it for about 26k more.  Three alternators, carb rebuild, radiator, rebuilt transmission, and plenty of other things I can't remember.  Also many other things that just didn't work that I could live without.   This isn't meant to be a knock on Dodge, the thing did have 100k+ miles on it.

It wasn't the mileage.  Those first generation Dakotas had more than their share of problems.  I had a coworker that bought a new one in 1988.  It became a running joke in the office to guess what would go wrong next.  Transmission, electrical, brakes, you name it and it went wrong.  He kept trying to get them to take it back under the lemon law and may have even succeeded (memory's a bit fuzzy).

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2007, 02:30:46 PM »
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2003 4Runner which has taken 16 trips West of the Pecos from Fort Worth, and it's a beast off-road compared with most stock vehicles).


That's because they are (or were...haven't looked at new ones) built on truck frames and are not soccer-mom cars.

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That said, I'd take a Mercedes Bluetec Diesel engine, in a Toyota Sequoia body, riding on solid axles and a 3 inch lift with 33 inch MTR tires mounted.  The perfect semi-efficient, off-road worthy family hauler. :D


Put me on the list for one....but make mine the Tundra model.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2007, 02:35:57 PM »
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I was originally looking at a Hummer H3.


The Hummer (in any of its iterations) has always seemed like overkill and underwhelming at the same time in many respects (at least the consumer version with the conventional undercarriage....di fferential and all). Now, if you're talking the military version that has the huge underbody clearance because it is a completely different type of contruction....that's a useful off-road machine.
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2007, 02:37:36 PM »
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My 1992 Toyota pickup 4x4 has 393,000 miles on it and still going strong.


More than one mechanic is of the opinion that if you regularly change the oil in Toyotas they will run forever.

There are a great many Toyotas on the road today with mileage in your range and beyond.
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2007, 02:57:03 PM »
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I was originally looking at a Hummer H3.


I'd like to test drive one of those and an H2 and also the new 4 door jeep, but to be 100% honest, I'm 103% satisfied with the Avalanche - tons of cargo capacity, seating for 4 comfortable and a 5th wouldn't be bad, like the mid-gate, like the locking weather (not dust) proof cargo area, etc.  Side saddles are very nice.  

Vehicles I've owned...
Austin Healy Sprite (not bugeye)
Jeep CJ7
Jeep Scrambler CJ8
Ford Ranger
Jeep Wrangler
Mazda Miata red
Mazda Miata green
White Avalanche
Black Avalanche

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2007, 03:14:36 PM »
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Don't they recommend burning premium in those?


Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers, http://www.cartalk.com/
answered this a couple of weeks ago and the general answer is, burn the cheapest unless you drive some high performance vehicle.  Some lady called in asking if there was a "difference" between the brands of Gasoline - Exxon-Mobile-Shell-Texaco, etc. as a friend of hers drove across town to refill so she always had xyz gasoline as she had been told that once you start using a prticular xyz brand, only use that brand from now on.  It's a conspiracy, just like the 3,000 mile oil change.

 


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