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Domestic v. Foreign truck quality

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Offline bdann

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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2007, 03:28:30 PM »
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 I can't comment too much on Ford/GM/Chrysler as I've never owned one.


I mispoke there, I have owned a Chrysler vehicle, and I can indeed (and did) comment on it....the Dodge Dakota.
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2007, 04:45:44 PM »
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 I can't comment too much on Ford/GM/Chrysler as I've never owned one.


I mispoke there, I have owned a Chrysler vehicle, and I can indeed (and did) comment on it....the Dodge Dakota.


So, do we really consider Chrysler/Dodge/MoPar a domestic vehicle when they are owned by the Germans?

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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2007, 04:57:56 PM »
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So, do we really consider Chrysler/Dodge/MoPar a domestic vehicle when they are owned by the Germans?


Who knows? The Germans are still trying to figure out what possessed them to buy the company.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2007, 11:13:18 AM »
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So, do we really consider Chrysler/Dodge/MoPar a domestic vehicle when they are owned by the Germans?


Who knows? The Germans are still trying to figure out what possessed them to buy the company.


Probably going to bed every night and waking up every morning wondering why they thought they could marry a German high end luxury/big truck company with an American automobile mfg. with high legacy costs - and make the marriage work :?: .  

Have you seen the commercial for the Dodge Nitro I think in which it's doing a battery jump and the car explodes from "too much power". - it's a hoot.

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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2007, 11:17:14 AM »
GM's OnStar system is one reason I really like the Avalanche - yea, it's a toy pretty much, unless your airbag deploys  :shock:  but it is neat - and certainly is "big brotherish"....  Be sure to check out  the graphs....









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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2007, 12:01:08 PM »
Quote from: "SHANEA"
GM's OnStar system is one reason I really like the Avalanche - yea, it's a toy pretty much, unless your airbag deploys  :shock:  but it is neat - and certainly is "big brotherish"....  Be sure to check out  the graphs....


Yeah, but you forgot the onboard black box that continuously records the last 30 seconds of operation....includ ing speed, throttle position and whether the brakes were activated. Wait till an insurance company gets hold of that data after an accident and it contradicts the statements of the driver. Now you can drive a car equipped like the airlines.
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2008, 07:52:39 PM »
Moderator note:  the following posts were split off from Trip Report - How 4 days in BiBe Turned Into 24 Hours.

OK I can't resist... if you guys would just drive Ford trucks instead of those GM jobs you wouldn't need the extended warranty or the free towing.... OK there now I feel better..TWWG
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2008, 08:59:34 PM »
OK I can't resist... if you guys would just drive Ford trucks instead of those GM jobs you wouldn't need the extended warranty or the free towing.... OK there now I feel better..TWWG


They put that Onstar stuff in the GM's so they can find out where to send the tow truck :rolleyes: :icon_wink:
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2008, 09:08:26 PM »
Uh Oh! I think I started something. :icon_redface:
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2008, 10:30:43 AM »
FORD, For Outback Road Durability
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2008, 10:57:09 AM »
FORD, For Outback Road Durability
The versions I always heard were Found On Road Dead or Fix Or Repair Daily.

Of course, I drive a Toyota. :icon_biggrin:

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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2008, 12:16:27 PM »
FORD, For Outback Road Durability

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2008, 12:25:02 PM »
OK I can't resist... if you guys would just drive Ford trucks instead of those GM jobs you wouldn't need the extended warranty or the free towing.... OK there now I feel better..TWWG

Oh, here we go again!  :willynilly:

There is a reason you rarely see a Toyota truck broken down on the roadside. It's because they don't. You can pay for quality up front or you can spend more in the long run fixing an inferior product.

I own three Toyotas

a) 1997 4 Runner
b) 2000 Tundra 4WD
c) 2001 Tundra 6 cyl, long bed (bought it used in 2003)

I also used to have a 1994 Corolla that I bought used and eventually gave to my daughter.

In the course of more than 25 vehicle-years of Toyotas and more than 300,000 miles, most of that on the 1997 and 2000 and a lot of off road on both, I have spent a grand total of exactly $500 in repairs (replaced the starter motor on the 4 Runner 2 months ago, it began acting intermittently).

I don't waste money on extended warranties. Don't need them. In contrast, by the time I got rid of the only Ford I will ever own (when I got the first Tundra) I had put over $4,000 in repairs in a vehicle that barely had 80,000 miles on it. Buying that Ford was the biggest consumer mistake I ever made, but I learned from it.

Now, all the die-hard Ford, Chevy and Dodge owners will defend their vehicles, but the proof is in the reliability. If Toyota ever starts building heavy trucks here, they will put Ford out of their misery. Toyotas are making major inroads as fleet vehicles of oil drilling companies in NM, where you used to see mostly Fords and Chevys. They're doing that because of economic advantages (as in not having to fix them constantly).

Okay, I have once again struggled into my fireproof suit. Flame on, but fess up how much you've spent to keep your Detroit vehicles running. I say 'Detroit' because, of course, Toyotas are just as domestic as the others.
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2008, 12:27:51 PM »
FORD, For Outback Road Durability
The versions I always heard were Found On Road Dead or Fix Or Repair Daily.

Of course, I drive a Toyota. :icon_biggrin:

Ford spelled backward is DROF....Driver Returns On Foot.

FORD = Flawed Operational Reliability Design
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2008, 12:46:24 PM »
Actually FORD used to mean "Fix Or Repair Daily" . . . On the other hand Consumer Reports has taken the Camry off of its recommended car list because of quality problems.  The world has changed.

My 92 Cougar, which I sold to a friend in 2002 is still purring like a kitten, drips a little transmission fluid, odometer broke at 150,000 miles four years ago and has at least 200,000 miles on it.  Sold my last Ford truck in 1998 with 120,000 miles on it because in was one of those 1990 models when many makers used what turned out to be a bad primer and the wife wouldn't ride in it any more due to a bad case of uglies.  I'm at 118,000 miles on my current F150, had to put new spark plugs and wires otherwise just fluid changes and front brakes.  Still has original rear brake pads.  I'll wait until I hear metal on metal because the drums will be too thin to turn anyway.  Might be a good idea to put new tie rod ends before too long otherwise good to go.

Interesting theft statistics on F250s and 350s.  Turns out they are the most rugged and dependable trucks so they are commonly stolen for use by smugglers.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH02324012008-1.htm

Al
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