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Domestic v. Foreign truck quality

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Offline jeffblaylock

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2008, 08:12:51 PM »
For me, it all comes down to which one makes my arsenal of guns and ammo look the coolest while I'm hauling ass down the Old Ore Road.
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2008, 08:20:30 PM »
For me, it all comes down to which one makes my arsenal of guns and ammo look the coolest while I'm hauling ass down the Old Ore Road.

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2008, 09:09:17 PM »
For me, it all comes down to which one makes my arsenal of guns and ammo look the coolest while I'm hauling ass down the Old Ore Road.

It's important to have style, no matter what you're doing.  :rolling:
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2008, 09:09:42 PM »
There is one more thing missing from the foreign truck marketing.  As one of the full time rvers, I must point out that the Toyota, nissan etc vehicles do not have any vehicles that come anywhere near the towing capability of my Ford or Chevy diesel trucks.  Now I am on my first Chevy 2500HD diesel at 90,000 miles with no trouble at all.  My Ford F-250 diesel was the same way.  Be that as it may, I would love to see Toyota etc market a truck with the 15,000# or greater towing capacity of the American trucks. The foreign trucks only compete with the F150, Chevy 1500 or the dodge 1500. The foreign makers do have some heavier duty vehicles in other countries.

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2008, 09:14:28 PM »
There is one more thing missing from the foreign truck marketing.  As one of the full time rvers, I must point out that the Toyota, nissan etc vehicles do not have any vehicles that come anywhere near the towing capability of my Ford or Chevy diesel trucks.  Now I am on my first Chevy 2500HD diesel at 90,000 miles with no trouble at all.  My Ford F-250 diesel was the same way.  Be that as it may, I would love to see Toyota etc market a truck with the 15,000# or greater towing capacity of the American trucks. The foreign trucks only compete with the F150, Chevy 1500 or the dodge 1500. The foreign makers do have some heavier duty vehicles in other countries.

Give'em time.
01-05-2006
TOKYO Toyota is secretly planning a big diesel pickup truck for the U.S. market and will add a hybrid as well, according to a report in Tokyo.

In a move to counter soaring energy prices and stifle accusations of building gas guzzlers, Toyota is going eco-friendly with the next Tundra. Sort of.

In the works is a new big-block diesel V8, an engine Toyota plans to drop into the new Tundra and build at the rate of 70,000 units per year out of its new greenfield TMMTX plant in San Antonio, Texas, that opens this year. However, the diesel is apparently still three years away.

To ramp up the pickup's eco image, a new high-efficiency V8 and a gas-electric hybrid are also reportedly in the works. The diesel will be Toyota's first such unit in the United States and comes at a time when Nissan is also actively looking at building a diesel Titan.

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2008, 09:34:12 PM »
Isuzu supposedly makes the Duramax for GM.  The ability is there in the foreign manufacturers. Our emissions requirements are giving them trouble since the unit quantity to be sold will be a lot smaller than the rest of the world without the emissions requirements.  When they do it it ought to be very good, but I am afraid they will be expensive relative to the American units.

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2008, 09:51:33 PM »
Isuzu supposedly makes the Duramax for GM.  The ability is there in the foreign manufacturers. Our emissions requirements are giving them trouble since the unit quantity to be sold will be a lot smaller than the rest of the world without the emissions requirements.  When they do it it ought to be very good, but I am afraid they will be expensive relative to the American units.

Looks like Ford plans a diesel F-150

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2010 Ford F150 Diesel
As of January 2008 Ford has confirmed they fully intend to have a diesel engine in the F-150 for the 2010 model year. They didn't say any more other than they want to be the first of the "big 3" to put a diesel in the light duty pickup. They didn't give us any indication as to what we'll see but there has been plenty of speculation.

Ford also mentioned that for 2010 we'll see the use of EcoBoost engines - that is Gasoline Turbo Direct Injection. We predict you'll see a V6 turbo under the hood in 2010!

In late 2007, AutoWeek reported that Ford will allegedly be putting a supercharged 4.4L diesel V8 engine in the F-150 for 2009. Expect it to have around 330 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque! GM & Dodge are also planning on putting diesel engines in 1/2 ton trucks, but Ford is expected to be the first to actually produce such a truck. The 4.4-liter engine is a larger version of the 3.6-liter turbocharged V-8 used in European market Land Rover Range Rovers.
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2008, 10:13:50 PM »
Sounds cool, I love new innovations in cars and trucks, but diesel is already more than gasoline.  If everybody goes diesel, what will it cost then?

The idea is to build a 1/2 ton pickup for towing torque, without having to go up to 3/4 or 1 ton price.
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2008, 10:17:46 PM »
Sounds cool, I love new innovations in cars and trucks, but diesel is already more than gasoline.  If everybody goes diesel, what will it cost then?
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2008, 10:18:20 PM »
I'd like to see a smaller diesel, say 3.5 or 4 liters with a turbocharger in a mid sized truck.  It would suite the needs of a much wider group of truck drivers who want economy and don't need to haul a 5th wheel trailer.  One might be able to justify the extra cost of diesel.

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2008, 10:24:22 PM »
I'd like to see a smaller diesel, say 3.5 or 4 liters with a turbocharger in a mid sized truck.  It would suite the needs of a much wider group of truck drivers who want economy and don't need to haul a 5th wheel trailer.  One might be able to justify the extra cost of diesel.

Al

Me too. I'd like to see a 4WD, 1/2 ton, diesel. Might get 400,000 miles out of that.
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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2008, 10:27:51 PM »
Back in the good old days Dodge had a Mitsubishi diesel in their 1500 series model.  If they could do it then they can do it now.

Al

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« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2008, 10:34:53 PM »
"When the fuel crisis hit, Dodge was not prepared, and it took some time to fit pickups with a Mitsubishi diesel; that rare model appeared around 1978, the same year the D-150 and D-250 were introduced. The diesel engine used in 1978 (and possibly later) D150s, D250s, and Power Wagons was the Mitsubishi 6DR5, 3950 cc, with 105 hp at 3500 rpm; it was reportedly virtually identical to the Land Cruiser diesel engine of the time. This factory option (VIN code H) was a straight-six and came without a badly needed turbocharger, providing good mileage (reportedly over 20 mpg) but limiting top speeds. These engines do not appear to be listed in the Standard Catalog of American Light-Duty Trucks."

It was the D150 I was thinking of.
Al

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Re: Domestic v. Foreign truck quality
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2008, 09:25:35 AM »
I'd like to see a smaller diesel, say 3.5 or 4 liters with a turbocharger in a mid sized truck.  It would suite the needs of a much wider group of truck drivers who want economy and don't need to haul a 5th wheel trailer.  One might be able to justify the extra cost of diesel.

Al

  Al,

    Looks as though Detroit is listening to you: The 3.0 Grand Cherokee Diesel

  And for those with little tykes: The Grocery Getter Edition. Ford's expedition and Dodge will unveil a diesel version as well.

 Now this one is interesting: The Mahindra small truck , I am sure it will sell like hot cakes...Dang!, diesel is finally revamping.

  Now VW is not being left behind: The Tiguan will roll as well, for round 2 with their TDi engine..smooth as silk.

  I am diesel guy, and one thing i have come down to understand, given the high torque at low end rpm the diesel engine outputs, i still can't understand why Detroit installed those big heavy monsters (7.3 Power Stroke, 5.9 Cummins,6.5 Duramax) on those 3/4 ton pick ups. When a much smaller diesel engine could do the same job.

 And yes Presidio, Toyota is also rolling out their diesel versions...all of them in 2009 , to comply with the Kyoto protocol of smog emissions by 2010.

 P.S.- I am still like Undertaker...a mechanical (not electronic) diesel engine guy.

 
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