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Offline maketo

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truck weight issues
« on: September 01, 2013, 09:22:13 AM »
Moderator Note: This topic was split off from http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/campgrounds/first-trip-to-bb-where-should-we-camp/

Truck is a Ram 2500 diesel carrying a North Star 850 popup camper.  It is 4WD.

A bit off topic: I see that the dry weight of the 850sc is 1735 lbs. With everyting, it can easily weigh 2100+ pounds. Your truck is a 4WD diesel - both these options add extra weight to it.

I have a 4wd diesel GMC 3/4 ton truck with a crew cab (this also adds weight) that I took to the scales and it weighed in at 7120 lbs. There is a sticker on the inside of the driver door that specifies the GVWR. Take this number and subtract the weight at the scales and you will get what your truck is safe to carry in terms of weight. My truck turned out to be able to carry about 2,000 lbs (we weighed it with a full tank of diesel, obviously).

Now, why is this important? If you (God forbid) are involved in an accident with your truck/camper, your setup will be taken to the scales. If it is shown that you were overweight, your insurance may easily refuse to cover you. On top of that you may earn yourself a ticket.

I strongly suggest you go to the scales, if for nothing else, for your own education. Make sure you get the weight of the rear axle, the weight of the front axle and the total weight of the truck. The rear axles on 3/4 tons are rated at about 6-7,000 lbs. The axle itself will very likely weigh in at 2,000-3,000+ pounds, the front will obviously be heavier because the engine is on it. Make sure you do not exceed the total weight carrying capacity on the rear axle also, in addition to the GVWR.

You can do a lot of things to your truck to make it handle the weight better (but it will never be "legit" if you are simply overweight). You can add extra springs in the rear, you can add air bags (to make the ride nicer) etc. If you plan on taking this set up on rough roads, you will soon find out the handling capabilities of the stock setup are not that great!

Finally, your tires and wheels are the weakest link. Your tires will ideally be rated at 3750 lbs each and so will the wheels! This is what is the single most important determinator of what you can carry. On GMCs - the stock tires/wheels, if I remember correctly are rated at 3,000 lbs each, giving you a total of 6,000 lbs carrying capacity, but the rear axle weight itself already sits on the wheels and has to be subtracted from the total....

Just a side note....
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 05:56:03 PM by RichardM »

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Re: truck weight issues
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 07:29:04 PM »
Mis-information is a bad thing.  A rear end of Dodge truck is usually a Dana 80, which weighs around 500 pounds.  Not 2000 - 3000+ pounds.  The military Rockwell 2.5 ton axles only weigh 800 pounds in comparison, so the numbers presented earlier are suspect.

If someone wants to loose sleep over over-weight vehicles, then look out for fire engines.  Most weigh around 42,000 pounds and ride on a single rear axle.  It's like a 200 pound man riding on a ten speed bike at 30 mph.  There just isn't enough rubber in contact with the road to make a difference when stopping.      :great:
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Re: truck weight issues
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 11:43:49 PM »
Mis-information is a bad thing.  A rear end of Dodge truck is usually a Dana 80, which weighs around 500 pounds.  Not 2000 - 3000+ pounds.  The military Rockwell 2.5 ton axles only weigh 800 pounds in comparison, so the numbers presented earlier are suspect.

If someone wants to loose sleep over over-weight vehicles, then look out for fire engines.  Most weigh around 42,000 pounds and ride on a single rear axle.  It's like a 200 pound man riding on a ten speed bike at 30 mph.  There just isn't enough rubber in contact with the road to make a difference when stopping.      :great:

I think you are wrong about the rear axle weights on any 3/4 ton truck. The best way to find out is to take the truck to the scales.

Here is how I got educated:
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27155306/srt/pa/pging/1/page/1



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Re: truck weight issues
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2013, 10:28:38 PM »
Maketo,

Do I understand correctly that you are not talking about the weight of the axle itself, but about what weight the scale will show if you put only the rear wheels on it?

Geezer

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 07:22:35 AM »
Maketo,

Do I understand correctly that you are not talking about the weight of the axle itself, but about what weight the scale will show if you put only the rear wheels on it?

Geezer

Yessir - you will get three numbers: the weight on the rear axle, the weight on the front axle and the combined weight (two added together).

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Re: truck weight issues
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 08:59:15 AM »
I read your post wrong then.  When you stated " The axle itself will very likely weigh in at 2,000-3,000+ pounds,.....".  I read that as the unsprung axle (everything under the springs) weighed 2000-3000 pounds when the actual weigh is what I stated.  My mistake.    :eusa_shifty:
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Re: truck weight issues
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 10:54:24 AM »
I read your post wrong then.  When you stated " The axle itself will very likely weigh in at 2,000-3,000+ pounds,.....".  I read that as the unsprung axle (everything under the springs) weighed 2000-3000 pounds when the actual weigh is what I stated.  My mistake.    :eusa_shifty:

Sorry, English is not my native tongue so I tend to make confusing mistakes :)

 


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