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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 08:53:10 AM »
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Of course, you can always get yourself one of these....


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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 08:54:33 AM »
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Man, Casa...That's what I'm talkin' about....UNIMOG, baby.....!!!



Nooooo....the Unimog is an entirely different vehicle, built in Germany...by Mercedes I believe.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 09:03:23 AM »
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Man, Casa...That's what I'm talkin' about....UNIMOG, baby.....!!!



Nooooo....the Unimog is an entirely different vehicle, built in Germany...by Mercedes I believe.


A unimog is very similar and also used by the Swiss army....

http://www.swissarmyvehicles.com/vehiclelist.php?cat=2

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2007, 09:45:26 AM »
That's what those reminded me of...Like the 'Mog's little bretheren.....And yes, it's Mercedes (of some kind)...
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 10:17:49 AM »
I have taken an El Camino all over the Big Bend park.  Don't be afraid to do a little road work if you need to, i.e. move rocks out of the way. I suppose it also depends upon one's driving skills. I never encountered a need for 4WD.  I laughed at the folks who thought a person needed a jeep or SUV.  I have gone for two days without encountering another vehicle on the back roads of the park. It is wonderful.

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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2007, 10:38:39 AM »
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I laughed at the folks who thought a person needed a jeep or SUV.  I have gone for two days without encountering another vehicle on the back roads of the park. It is wonderful.


I laugh at the folks who think they don't need a 4wd and end up getting stuck on River Road when it rains  Meanwhile, my Jeep just cruises right by them as they're being rescued from the Park Service  :lol:

an el camino on Black Gap  :-k   now that is funny!  Sounds like you and the guy with the civic need to get together and swap stories.

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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 10:39:11 AM »
Come to think of it...The Unimog's nice, but those Pinzgauer 712's....MMMM....VERY nice.....Oh, the wife's gonna hate this....Maybe I can swing it if I say, "Honey, it's an RV...Y'know, to camp with the kids and stuff"...
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2007, 10:46:54 AM »
I am not an idiot and do know how to watch the weather. I have only been going to the Big Bend for 47 years so perhaps I don not know as much as all of ya'll....

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2007, 10:50:48 AM »
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I am not an idiot and do know how to watch the weather. I have only been going to the Big Bend for 47 years so perhaps I don not know as much as all of ya'll....


umhm... and you can predict the weather there too??  wow, you are a dynamo!   =D>  looking forward to the book...

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2007, 11:09:09 AM »
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I am not an idiot and do know how to watch the weather. I have only been going to the Big Bend for 47 years so perhaps I don not know as much as all of ya'll....


umhm... and you can predict the weather there too??  wow, you are a dynamo!   =D>  looking forward to the book...


Hey hey, things are feisty around here!

Yes, an El Camino will get you around most all of the BIBE roads (in normal conditions), assuming you're willing to get out sometimes and do the minor road work.

But for those of us that are lazy and don't want that hassle, I'll take a 4 wheel drive high clearance vehicle.  I own a 2003 4Runner 4WD, and it's been great.  And instead of watching the weather worried about rain, I take the opportunity to get out there and see what the 4Runner can do in the slick stuff.  

I think you can actually get a Runner for the same price as a comparably equipped Tacoma these days, so you may want to go that route unless you just really want a pickup.

If you're literally spending half your time off-road like you say, there will DEFINITELY be times when you encounter the need for 4WD.

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2007, 11:18:11 AM »
:cool:
I assume you are a nice fellow. No I make no predictions. I am aware of where I am and what I am doing. I hope you do the same.  The place is too remote to make a mistake.  There is no forgiveness.  Where I like to go there is no help either.  Now, my current vehicle is a Nissan Xterra. Very nice 4WD that can climb a wall! I will be a happy to read your book too.  My first visit was in 1960 and the park has changed dramatically since then. That was a fairly wet season. The trails were more open and there were park features that were accessible then that are closed to vehicle traffic now.  One used to be able to drive up to the very doorstep of Pine Canyon.  Cattail Falls was not a secret then.  I have had to run like crazy when a storm came up. I escaped, thankfully.  It always pays to look where you are and where you need to go should some unfortunate turn of events occur.

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2007, 12:00:51 PM »
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:cool: I assume you are a nice fellow.

He is, he's just having withdrawals after having to sell his beloved Jeep. :)

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2007, 12:18:20 PM »
My life's credo..."Hope for the best, Plan for the worst..." The Xterra would probably 'do', as long as you're somewhat knowledgeable and skilled at off-roading, but something more substantial would give you some headroom...Especial ly in washout conditions...In my experience. (Which doesn't include wet weather out there...)

...But maybe the 'Pinz would be 'a bit' much.....

Play nice out there....And leave some for me in October...
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2007, 12:35:32 PM »
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as they're being rescued from the Park Service


A slip (freudian?) perhaps?
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2007, 12:37:15 PM »
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an el camino on Black Gap  :-k   now that is funny!


Oh, I don't know. Depends on when he went. I took a Datsun 510 down Black Gap and never had to move a rock.

There is no doubt 4WD is effective, but it really boils down to how well can you operate a vehicle. Skilled drivers can do things in 2WD that an amateur cannot do in 4WD. No, I'm not talking about someplace where it is physically impossible to get a 2WD, but there are really not too many of those kinds of places in Big Bend...at least where they let you drive today.

I, too, have been all the way up to Pine Canyon and Juniper Canyon and a number of other places before the NPS closed them all off. There were well established two-track roads into those canyons that had been in existence since wagon days.

I have spent a lot of time in the BIBE backcountry in a 2WD and did not ever operate a 4WD there until 1991. I never got stuck and I never had to be rescued by the NPS, though I would like to be rescued from them.

If you ever want to see what a knowledgeable driver can do with a 2WD vehicle, spend some time on the Navajo Reservation after a rain. The locals will motor on around your stuck 4WD in their beater-mobile AMC Pacers and 2WD pickups.
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