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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2007, 01:12:56 PM »
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If you ever want to see what a knowledgeable driver can do with a 2WD vehicle, spend some time on the Navajo Reservation after a rain. The locals will motor on around your stuck 4WD in their beater-mobile AMC Pacers and 2WD pickups.


well that's interesting.  I've been to the Navajo Nation several times and I've never seen those guys drive anything in the backcountry but a truck, jeep or suv.  Certainly never a pacer.

There is no doubt 4wd isn't necessarily required.  But there is no way in hell you can convince me a car that's 4 inches off the ground is going over Old Ore, Black Gap, River Road or Juniper Canyon.  Even if you're going to get over the rocks with such little clearance, your suspension, transmission and dinky tires are history.  I wanna see a picture of a Sedan at ET1, JC4, or Roy's Peak....... Any Takers?  I won't hold my breath.

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2007, 01:19:20 PM »
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:cool: I assume you are a nice fellow.

He is, he's just having withdrawals after having to sell his beloved Jeep. :)


:pissed: ...yes, but what I traded it in for :)

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2007, 01:25:44 PM »
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:cool: I assume you are a nice fellow.

He is, he's just having withdrawals after having to sell his beloved Jeep. :)

:pissed: ...yes, but what I traded it in for :)

Finally broke down and got the family a minivan, huh?  :D
I hear the Honda Odyssey is quite nice.

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2007, 01:28:47 PM »
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I wanna see a picture of a Sedan at ET1, JC4, or Roy's Peak....... Any Takers?  I won't hold my breath.

Sorry, a Toyota Sienna minivan is the best I can do. :)

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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2007, 02:07:50 PM »
No pictures but yes we've had a little compact rent car at Ernst and I've seen a VW van too.

Al

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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2007, 02:30:46 PM »
Ok Let Me Be Clearer Here ....show me a honda civic like car sitting at elephant tusk not Ernst. A van at Ernst is not impressive.

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2007, 02:40:50 PM »
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Ok Let Me Be Clearer Here ....show me a honda civic like car sitting at elephant tusk not Ernst. A van at Ernst is not impressive.

Oh, that would be EL-1, not ET-1.  Sorry, ain't never been there... they tell me it's nice.  :cool:

Personally I'm pretty wimpy when it comes to driving passenger cars on dirt roads, which explains why there's still so much of the park I haven't seen yet.  After I win the lottery I'll spring for a good 4x4.

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2007, 03:14:07 PM »
in fact, i'll give a hundred bucks to the person who can provide an undoctored picture of a HONDA CIVIC with factory options only or an El Camino parked at EL-1 (that would be Elephant Tusk campsite on Black Gap road)....what do you say?  Sounds like an easy 100 bucks, yes?  Proove to me beyond all doubt that you're not 'FOS.'

There's a lotta talk with nothing to back it up it seems.

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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2007, 03:51:30 PM »
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There is no doubt 4wd isn't necessarily required.  But there is no way in hell you can convince me a car that's 4 inches off the ground is going over Old Ore, Black Gap, River Road or Juniper Canyon.


I almost agree with you. But back in the early 80s, while staying at the Chisos Lodge, I drove east along the River Road to Talley, hiked up Mariscal Rim Trail, then continued east on the River Road and back to the Lodge for a full day. And all in a Mazda GLC.

For the River Road it's all about how recently it's been bladed and whether it's rained since then. No argument about Black Gap (although there have been years that the ET camp site was probably approachable from the west).

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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2007, 04:06:06 PM »
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(although there have been years that the ET camp site was probably approachable from the west).


the west is the best route...but, still, good luck!

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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2007, 04:24:57 PM »
I should add - I would never recommend that anyone did what I did. Aside from the safety aspect doing all that in a single day simply takes a lot of the fun away. The River Road should be driven not to complete it but to see many things along the way.

And even in good circumstances taking a little car like I did on that road should be done only with a good road report and considerable caution. If you get stuck you're really stuck!

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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2007, 04:39:38 PM »
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And even in good circumstances taking a little car like I did on that road should be done only with a good road report and considerable caution. If you get stuck you're really stuck!

Nah, just have a good tow truck tag along as your support vehicle.  Better make that two tow trucks; one in front and one in back in case you get stuck in a narrow section. :)

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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2007, 04:56:00 PM »
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And even in good circumstances taking a little car like I did on that road should be done only with a good road report and considerable caution. If you get stuck you're really stuck!


my point, exactly.

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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2007, 04:59:30 PM »
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in fact, i'll give a hundred bucks to the person who can provide an undoctored picture of a HONDA CIVIC with factory options only or an El Camino parked at EL-1 (that would be Elephant Tusk campsite on Black Gap road)....what do you say?  Sounds like an easy 100 bucks, yes?  Proove to me beyond all doubt that you're not 'FOS.'

There's a lotta talk with nothing to back it up it seems.


what's the matter?

lotta barkin' and no bitin'...just as I thought

btw---rental cars don't count.

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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2007, 05:26:20 PM »
I WIN!!!!!!

Oh, wait...You said UN-Doctored....
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