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Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board

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Offline RichardM

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Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« on: February 04, 2013, 04:09:20 PM »
This board will be a little different from the others, in that there will be one topic for each of the backcountry sites within the park. Members will be able to add reviews, descriptions, pictures, opinions, etc. for any given site, which will then be available for easy reference. If I miss any sites, let me know.

Obligatory Disclaimer: This information may or not be based upon the latest available data. If the NPS would post current information, I wouldn't have to go digging for it in the old Compendium and in internet archives. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Caveat lector.

Has anyone compiled a roadside campsite or RGV  review similar to the Chisos Basin list?
Not that I know of. Looks like you just volunteered. ;)
I've been thinking about this for some time.  One simple idea that I've had is to create a new area of the forum for backcountry campsites.  Within that create one topic for each campsite and lock the area to new topics.  Each of us could then post replies with pictures or reviews.  Last spring I took pictures of many of the campsites along Old Ore and other places that I've been waiting for the right time to offer up.  It would be a good single location on campsites and by locking the area to one thread per campsite would make it easy to find the information.

Check out these archived versions:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101107043724/http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/roadsidecamps.htm

Of course, since the NPS currently does not provide that information on their website, the limits may very well have changed. Unless Eric moves back to the park and takes over the Webmaster position, it looks like the only way you'll get any definitive answers is to contact the park. Good luck.

While everyone should read the Compendium, I'll post this here for easy reference:

PRIMITIVE ROADSIDE BACKCOUNTRY CAMPSITES

CAMPSITEHORSESFIRESSITE CODEVEHICLESPERSONS
Grapevine Hills 10NoGH1320
Grapevine Hills 20NoGH226
Grapevine Hills 30NoGH326
Grapevine Hills 40NoGH426
Grapevine Hills 50NoGH526
Paint Gap 10NoPG114
Paint Gap 20NoPG226
Paint Gap 30NoPG314
Paint Gap 40NoPG426
Croton Springs 10NoCS1*26
Croton Springs 20NoCS2*26
K-Bar 10NoKB1*26
K-Bar 24 (one 4- horse trailer)NoKB2*26
Hannold Draw 18NoHD1320
Nine-Point Draw 14 (one 4- horse trailer)NoNP128
Nugent Mountain 10NoNM1*26
Nugent Mountain 24 (4-group see note)NoNM2*26
Pine Canyon 10NoPC126
Pine Canyon 20NoPC226
Pine Canyon 30NoPC314
Pine Canyon 40NoPC426
Rice Tank 10NoRT126
Rice Tank 20NoRT226
Robbers Roost0NoRR28
Twisted Shoe0NoTS114
Glenn Springs 10NoGS128
Glenn Springs 24NoGS228
Candelilla 10NoCA128
Ernst Tinaja 10NoET1210
Camp de Leon0NoCL116
La Noria 10NoLA116
La Noria 20NoLA216
Ernst Basin 10NoEB1210
Willow Tank 10NoWT118
Telephone Canyon 10NoTC116
Telephone Canyon 20NoTC2212
Roy's Peak 10NoRP126
McKinney Spring 10NoMS126
Woodson's 10NoWO128
Woodson's 20NoWO2312
Dominguez Trailhead 14NoDT128
Jewels Camp 14 (4x4 req.)NoJE128
Jewels Camp 24 (4x4 req.)NoJE2312
Loop Camp 14 (4x4 req.)NoLP1312
Loop Camp 24 (4x4 req.)NoLP228
Johnson's Ranch 14 (4x4 req.)NoJR1210
Johnson's Ranch 22 (4x4 req.)NoJR228
Gauging Station 10NoGA116
Black Dike 10NoBD1210
Buenos Aires 14 (4x4 req.)NoBA1210
Buenos Aires 20NoBA216
Terlingua Abaja 10NoTA128
Terlingua Abaja 20NoTA228
Terlingua Abaja 30NoTA328
Ocotillo Grove0NoOG28
Chimneys 10NoCH116
Gravel Pit 10NoGP1210
Gravel Pit 20NoGP2210
Gravel Pit 30NoGP3212
Gravel Pit 40NoGP4315
La Clocha 14 (4-horse trailer, 4x4 required)NoLC1210
La Clocha 20NoLC228
Solis 10NoSO1212
Solis 20NoSO2315
Solis 36 (4x4 required)NoSO3315
Solis 40NoSO4212
Fresno 10NoFR128
Elephant Tusk 10NoEL116
Talley 10NoTY128
Talley 20NoTY228
Talley 30NoTY3312
Talley 44 (4x4 required)NoTY428

* Both sites in these areas may be combined to form one group site with a 3 vehicle/20 person limit. NM #1 and #2 as a group site will accommodate 4 horses 4-trailer pulled by 4x4 vehicle only.

Disclaimer: this information is only valid as of 2010 and may change without notice.

A related existing topic:
http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/the-backroads/best-and-worst-primitive-roadside-campsites/

I'll start with the primitive roadside campsites, then add the High Chisos campsites as time permits.

And just for reference, here are the route numbers that the NPS uses for the main roads in BIBE:
Route 11: Persimmon Gap to Panther Junction
Route 12: Panther Junction to Rio Grande Village
Route 13: Panther Junction to Maverick Station
Route 14: Basin Road
Route 15: Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
Route 16: Castolon to Santa Elena Canyon
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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 04:58:32 PM »
Ok, folks. Have at it! I'll add the Chisos sites some time later. If I had more free time, I'd go through the archived site mentioned above and copy & paste in descriptions for each site.

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 07:50:45 PM »
Great concept, Richard.  I'll get to work on a few of the ones I've visited.

Some of the sites on your list don't exist anymore.  For example, Talley 3 and 4 were wiped out in the '08 flood, and I don't know if they have ever been rebuilt.
"Getting bored with your neurosis?  Drop you analyst--drop him/her like a cold potato--and make tracks for the nearest river." -Edward Abbey

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 08:00:23 PM »
Great concept, Richard.  I'll get to work on a few of the ones I've visited.
Thank KevinT for the idea.

Some of the sites on your list don't exist anymore.  For example, Talley 3 and 4 were wiped out in the '08 flood, and I don't know if they have ever been rebuilt.
Good to know. Maybe someday the NPS will get around to updating their online documentation and website. :icon_rolleyes:

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 10:15:39 AM »
Great idear by Kevinnt!  Thanks for implementing it so quickly Richard!
I will definitely be referring to this in the future.

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 11:34:50 AM »
Great job, Richard!!  I've bookmarked it.
Wake me when it's time to go.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 12:24:17 PM »
From the latest info I have, the following Primitive Roadside camps are closed:

Gravel Pit 4
Solis 3
Solis 4
Talley 3
Talley 4
Woodson's 1
Woodson's 2
Jewels Camp 1
Jewels Camp 2
Buenos Aires 2



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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 01:42:31 PM »
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 02:36:36 PM »
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 02:42:34 PM »
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?
I believe there is a site not far north of Rice Tank, on the same eastern side of the road. I think it has the word 'Spring' in the name. Maybe Chilicotal Spring? It was taken when we camped at Rice Tank in 2/2012.
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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 03:08:03 PM »
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?
I believe there is a site not far north of Rice Tank, on the same eastern side of the road. I think it has the word 'Spring' in the name. Maybe Chilicotal Spring? It was taken when we camped at Rice Tank in 2/2012.
Hard to tell without any up-to-date official info to check out. An inside source says that may change soon. Anyway, here's a map comparison with the latest map on http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/maps.htm versus an older one Google turned up (http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/BIBEmap1.pdf)

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 04:11:34 PM »
Camp Chilicotal -- bingo.
John & Tess

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 05:31:42 PM »
Quote from: RichardM

Following the 2008 flood, several sites were closed as noted above. I'll leave the topics for them as-is for historical purposes and in case they are ever reopened.

Pretty unlikely they will ever reopen but leaving them up for historical purposes is good. I went to a ranger talk last week - she opened it up for random questions while waiting to start, and one question was if the park was considering opening another campground. In the course of answering that question (No, they aren't), she mentioned they have added several new primitive sites to replaced the flooded ones, and said that the park is going the route of placing new primitive sites in higher/drier areas rather than spending time/money to reopen sites that are known to flood.

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Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 06:38:16 PM »
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.

Chilicotal accommodates a maximum of 2 vehicles and 6 people.

 


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