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Title: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 04, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
This board will be a little different from the others, in that there will be one topic for each of the backcountry sites within the park. Members will be able to add reviews, descriptions, pictures, opinions, etc. for any given site, which will then be available for easy reference. If I miss any sites, let me know.

Obligatory Disclaimer: This information may or not be based upon the latest available data. If the NPS would post current information, I wouldn't have to go digging for it in the old Compendium and in internet archives. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Caveat lector.

Has anyone compiled a roadside campsite or RGV  review similar to the Chisos Basin list?
Not that I know of. Looks like you just volunteered. ;)
I've been thinking about this for some time.  One simple idea that I've had is to create a new area of the forum for backcountry campsites.  Within that create one topic for each campsite and lock the area to new topics.  Each of us could then post replies with pictures or reviews.  Last spring I took pictures of many of the campsites along Old Ore and other places that I've been waiting for the right time to offer up.  It would be a good single location on campsites and by locking the area to one thread per campsite would make it easy to find the information.

Check out these archived versions:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101107043724/http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/roadsidecamps.htm

Of course, since the NPS currently does not provide that information on their website, the limits may very well have changed. Unless Eric moves back to the park and takes over the Webmaster position, it looks like the only way you'll get any definitive answers is to contact the park. Good luck.

While everyone should read the Compendium, I'll post this here for easy reference:

PRIMITIVE ROADSIDE BACKCOUNTRY CAMPSITES

CAMPSITEHORSESFIRESSITE CODEVEHICLESPERSONS
Grapevine Hills 10NoGH1320
Grapevine Hills 20NoGH226
Grapevine Hills 30NoGH326
Grapevine Hills 40NoGH426
Grapevine Hills 50NoGH526
Paint Gap 10NoPG114
Paint Gap 20NoPG226
Paint Gap 30NoPG314
Paint Gap 40NoPG426
Croton Springs 10NoCS1*26
Croton Springs 20NoCS2*26
K-Bar 10NoKB1*26
K-Bar 24 (one 4- horse trailer)NoKB2*26
Hannold Draw 18NoHD1320
Nine-Point Draw 14 (one 4- horse trailer)NoNP128
Nugent Mountain 10NoNM1*26
Nugent Mountain 24 (4-group see note)NoNM2*26
Pine Canyon 10NoPC126
Pine Canyon 20NoPC226
Pine Canyon 30NoPC314
Pine Canyon 40NoPC426
Rice Tank 10NoRT126
Rice Tank 20NoRT226
Robbers Roost0NoRR28
Twisted Shoe0NoTS114
Glenn Springs 10NoGS128
Glenn Springs 24NoGS228
Candelilla 10NoCA128
Ernst Tinaja 10NoET1210
Camp de Leon0NoCL116
La Noria 10NoLA116
La Noria 20NoLA216
Ernst Basin 10NoEB1210
Willow Tank 10NoWT118
Telephone Canyon 10NoTC116
Telephone Canyon 20NoTC2212
Roy's Peak 10NoRP126
McKinney Spring 10NoMS126
Woodson's 10NoWO128
Woodson's 20NoWO2312
Dominguez Trailhead 14NoDT128
Jewels Camp 14 (4x4 req.)NoJE128
Jewels Camp 24 (4x4 req.)NoJE2312
Loop Camp 14 (4x4 req.)NoLP1312
Loop Camp 24 (4x4 req.)NoLP228
Johnson's Ranch 14 (4x4 req.)NoJR1210
Johnson's Ranch 22 (4x4 req.)NoJR228
Gauging Station 10NoGA116
Black Dike 10NoBD1210
Buenos Aires 14 (4x4 req.)NoBA1210
Buenos Aires 20NoBA216
Terlingua Abaja 10NoTA128
Terlingua Abaja 20NoTA228
Terlingua Abaja 30NoTA328
Ocotillo Grove0NoOG28
Chimneys 10NoCH116
Gravel Pit 10NoGP1210
Gravel Pit 20NoGP2210
Gravel Pit 30NoGP3212
Gravel Pit 40NoGP4315
La Clocha 14 (4-horse trailer, 4x4 required)NoLC1210
La Clocha 20NoLC228
Solis 10NoSO1212
Solis 20NoSO2315
Solis 36 (4x4 required)NoSO3315
Solis 40NoSO4212
Fresno 10NoFR128
Elephant Tusk 10NoEL116
Talley 10NoTY128
Talley 20NoTY228
Talley 30NoTY3312
Talley 44 (4x4 required)NoTY428

* Both sites in these areas may be combined to form one group site with a 3 vehicle/20 person limit. NM #1 and #2 as a group site will accommodate 4 horses 4-trailer pulled by 4x4 vehicle only.

Disclaimer: this information is only valid as of 2010 and may change without notice.

A related existing topic:
http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/the-backroads/best-and-worst-primitive-roadside-campsites/

I'll start with the primitive roadside campsites, then add the High Chisos campsites as time permits.

And just for reference, here are the route numbers that the NPS uses for the main roads in BIBE:
Route 11: Persimmon Gap to Panther Junction
Route 12: Panther Junction to Rio Grande Village
Route 13: Panther Junction to Maverick Station
Route 14: Basin Road
Route 15: Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
Route 16: Castolon to Santa Elena Canyon
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 04, 2013, 04:58:32 PM
Ok, folks. Have at it! I'll add the Chisos sites some time later. If I had more free time, I'd go through the archived site mentioned above and copy & paste in descriptions for each site.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Raoul Duke on February 04, 2013, 07:50:45 PM
Great concept, Richard.  I'll get to work on a few of the ones I've visited.

Some of the sites on your list don't exist anymore.  For example, Talley 3 and 4 were wiped out in the '08 flood, and I don't know if they have ever been rebuilt.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 04, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
Great concept, Richard.  I'll get to work on a few of the ones I've visited.
Thank KevinT for the idea.

Some of the sites on your list don't exist anymore.  For example, Talley 3 and 4 were wiped out in the '08 flood, and I don't know if they have ever been rebuilt.
Good to know. Maybe someday the NPS will get around to updating their online documentation and website. :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 04, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
The list (to be amended as more info is gathered):


Following the 2008 flood, several sites were closed as noted above. I'll leave the topics for them as-is for historical purposes and in case they are ever reopened.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Lance on February 05, 2013, 10:15:39 AM
Great idear by Kevinnt!  Thanks for implementing it so quickly Richard!
I will definitely be referring to this in the future.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: catz on February 05, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
Great job, Richard!!  I've bookmarked it.
Title: Closed Roadside Camps
Post by: Jim on February 05, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
From the latest info I have, the following Primitive Roadside camps are closed:

Gravel Pit 4
Solis 3
Solis 4
Talley 3
Talley 4
Woodson's 1
Woodson's 2
Jewels Camp 1
Jewels Camp 2
Buenos Aires 2


Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Vince T on February 05, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 05, 2013, 02:36:36 PM
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: trtlrock on February 05, 2013, 02:42:34 PM
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?
I believe there is a site not far north of Rice Tank, on the same eastern side of the road. I think it has the word 'Spring' in the name. Maybe Chilicotal Spring? It was taken when we camped at Rice Tank in 2/2012.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 05, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.
Is there a site at Chilicotal or is it just a backcountry zone (S09)?
I believe there is a site not far north of Rice Tank, on the same eastern side of the road. I think it has the word 'Spring' in the name. Maybe Chilicotal Spring? It was taken when we camped at Rice Tank in 2/2012.
Hard to tell without any up-to-date official info to check out. An inside source says that may change soon. Anyway, here's a map comparison with the latest map on http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/maps.htm versus an older one Google turned up (http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/BIBEmap1.pdf)
(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/thesitestheyareachanging.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: trtlrock on February 05, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
Camp Chilicotal -- bingo.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: EdB on February 05, 2013, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: RichardM

Following the 2008 flood, several sites were closed as noted above. I'll leave the topics for them as-is for historical purposes and in case they are ever reopened.

Pretty unlikely they will ever reopen but leaving them up for historical purposes is good. I went to a ranger talk last week - she opened it up for random questions while waiting to start, and one question was if the park was considering opening another campground. In the course of answering that question (No, they aren't), she mentioned they have added several new primitive sites to replaced the flooded ones, and said that the park is going the route of placing new primitive sites in higher/drier areas rather than spending time/money to reopen sites that are known to flood.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Jim on February 05, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
This will be helpful Richard.  I noticed Chilicotal is not on there.  I was wondering recently how many people/cars can occupy that site.  I will call and check and post here.

Chilicotal accommodates a maximum of 2 vehicles and 6 people.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on February 14, 2013, 03:00:34 PM
If anyone has coordinates for any of the backcountry campsites, feel free to add them to the appropriate topics. Trying to spot some of them via satellite imagery is easier said than done.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: fartymarty on February 14, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
 I have a few Trails Illustrated maps collected across the years. It seems that on my latest one (2009) the Rattlesnake Mountain campsite appears (wasn't there on the 2002 or '96 maps), and the Chimneys West campsite is gone (it was on the 2002 map and '96 map).
I don't think I saw a sign for Rattlesnake Mountain campsite on Old Maverick road this last November, and I'm sure I saw it in 2010.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Flash on February 14, 2013, 10:03:27 PM
High Chisos Campsites:
 
LW1 - Leguna West 1 -  29 14.836'N  103 18.983'W
 
LW3 - Leguna West 3 -  29 14.785'N  103 19.087'W
 
LM4 - Leguna Meadows 4 -  29 14.548'N  103 18.770'W
 
NE4 - Northeast 4 -  29 14.164'N  103 17.047'W
 
SW4 - Southwest 4 -  29 13.620'N  103 18.193'W
 
Other Handy Waypoints:
 
Leguna Toilet -  29 14.595'N 103 18.712'W
 
Boot Cabin Table -  29 14.533'N 103 17.829'W
 
Boot Canyon Trail & South Rim -  29 13.696'N 103 17.840'W
 
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Jonathan Sadow on March 03, 2013, 01:13:20 PM
During my last two backpacks into the High Chisos, I've gotten the co-ordinates of many of the campsites there.  The co-ordinates for the Boot Canyon, Boulder Meadow 1 to 4, and the Pinnacles campsites are the location of the beginning of the spur trails to these groups of campsites, as at the time I didn't feel like going down the spur trails to get the co-ordinates for each individual campsite (I might do this in the future).  Southeast Rim 3 and 4 are right next to each other, so I have only one pair of co-ordinates for both.  The co-ordinates are in the format Ndd mm ss.s Wddd mm ss.s, where d=degrees, m=minutes, and s=seconds, N meaning latitude north and W meaning longitude west.

Boot Canyon 1 to 4: N29 14 36.7 W103 17 48.8
Boulder Meadow 1 to 4: N29 15 35.7 W103 17 45.2
Boulder Meadow 5: N29 15 28.2 W103 17 57.9
Colima 1: N29 14 35.6 W103 17 51.5
Colima 2: N29 14 33.0 W103 18 03.9
Colima 3: N29 14 30.7 W103 18 07.4
Juniper Flat 1: N29 15 50.7 W103 17 48.0
Juniper Flat 2: N29 15 46.9 W103 17 46.8
Juniper Flat 3: N29 15 45.7 W103 17 47.0
Laguna Meadow 1: N29 14 42.9 W103 18 42.8
Laguna Meadow 2: N29 14 34.4 W103 18 41.5
Northeast Rim 1: N29 14 08.5 W103 17 35.6
Northeast Rim 2: N29 14 13.2 W103 17 17.0
Northeast Rim 3: N29 14 12.0 W103 17 12.3
Northeast Rim 4: N29 14 11.0 W103 17 09.2
Northeast Rim 5: N29 14 09.4 W103 17 09.6
Pinnacles 1 to 3: N29 15 13.2 W103 17 57.9
Southeast Rim 1: N29 13 44.0 W103 17 47.1
Southeast Rim 2: N29 13 53.7 W103 17 35.4
Southeast Rim 3 and 4: N29 14 05.2 W103 17 09.0
Southwest Rim 2: N29 14 16.8 W103 18 05.9
Southwest Rim 3: N29 13 57.8 W103 18 13.0
Southwest Rim 4: N29 13 37.0 W103 18 11.6
Toll Mountain 1: N29 15 06.1 W103 17 50.0

I also have the co-ordinates for some of the backcountry composting toilets:

Pinnacles Pass: N29 15 06.0 W103 17 50.9
Laguna Meadow: N29 14 34.8 W103 18 42.2
Southwest Rim: N29 13 34.9 W103 18 10.0
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on March 03, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
Great work, guys! Now we need a volunteer to get coordinates for all the roadside campsites...
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Jimbow on March 03, 2013, 02:59:14 PM
Lord willing, I will be driving the backroads next week and will gather up as many as I can. I was also thinking that Google maps is fairly accurate for that task.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on March 03, 2013, 03:24:02 PM
Lord willing, I will be driving the backroads next week and will gather up as many as I can. I was also thinking that Google maps is fairly accurate for that task.
My idea is to have a link to a map for each campsite. Having them in decimal degrees makes that easier. For example, here's the Chisos Mountains Lodge:
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=29.27053,-103.29929&z=15&t=H&marker0=29.27053%2C-103.29929%2CChisos%20Mountains%20Lodge
or
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=29.27053,-103.29929&hl=en&sll=31.168934,-100.076842&sspn=13.142612,18.94043&t=h&z=17
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Jimbow on March 03, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
Will do. Where we go will depend on where we find a site. Our plan is to arrive on Friday.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: catz on March 04, 2013, 11:55:18 AM
Just got back from a visit to the park.  My friend and I visited 16 back country sites (including BA 2*), almost all on River Road/Black Gap/Glen Spring Road.  We took several pictures at each of these, showing the site itself plus the views in each direction from the site.  Made some notes about each, too.  I'll get around to posting these, hopefully in a few days.

*Glad to see that Buenas Aires 2 is closed.  Didn't realize that until now; when we visited it last week we were thinking, "why the heck would anybody stay here?".
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on March 04, 2013, 01:24:14 PM
Here's a different version of the list, taken from a PDF file:

*CODETYPECAMPSITEPERSONSTENTSVEHICLESCOMMENTSCLOSED FROMCLOSED THROUGH
GH1RGrapevine Hills2030
GH2RGrapevine Hills620No RVs
GH3RGrapevine Hills620No RVs
GH4RGrapevine Hills620High Clearance Recommended
GH5RGrapevine Hills620High Clearance Recommended
PG1RPaint Gap410No RV's
PG2RPaint Gap620No RV's
PG3RPaint Gap410No RV's
PG4RPaint Gap620High Clearance Recommended
CS1RCroton Springs620
CS2RCroton Springs620
KB1RK-Bar620
KB2RK-Bar624(one 4- horse trailer)
HD1RHannold Draw2038only site with a corral
NP1RNine-Point Draw824(one 4- horse trailer)
NM1RNugent Mountain1230
PC1RPine Canyon620High Clearance Recommended
PC2RPine Canyon620High Clearance Recommended
PC3RPine Canyon410High Clearance Recommended
PC4RPine Canyon620High Clearance Recommended
CC1RChilicotal620High Clearance Recommended
RT1RRice Tank620High Clearance Recommended
RR1RRobbers Roost820High Clearance Required
TS1RTwisted Shoe410High Clearance Required
GS1RGlenn Springs8204X4 req.
GS2RGlenn Springs824High Clearance Recommended
CA1RCandelilla820High Clearance Required
CL1RCamp de Leon610High Clearance Required
ET1RErnst Tinaja1020High Clearance Recommended
LA1RLa Noria610High Clearance Recommended
LA2RLa Noria610High Clearance Recommended
EB1RErnst Basin1020High Clearance Required
WT1RWillow Tank810High Clearance Required
TC1RTelephone Canyon610High Clearance Required
TC2RTelephone Canyon1220High Clearance Required
RP1RRoy's Peak620High Clearance Required
MS1RMcKinney Spring620High Clearance Required
GP1RGravel Pit1020High Clearance Recommended
GP2RGravel Pit1020High Clearance Recommended
GP3RGravel Pit1220High Clearance Recommended
GP4RGravel Pit1530High Clearance Recommended1-Jan31-Dec
LC1RLa Clocha1024(4-horse trailer; 4x4 required)
LC2RLa Clocha820High Clearance Required
SO1RSolis1220High Clearance Required
SO2RSolis1530High Clearance Required
SO3RSolis15364x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
SO4RSolis12204x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
FR1RFresno820High Clearance Recommended
EL1RElephant Tusk610High Clearance Required
TY1RTalley820High Clearance Required
TY2RTalley820High Clearance Required
TY3RTalley1230High Clearance Required1-Jan31-Dec
TY4RTalley8244x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
WO1RWoodsons820High Clearance Required1-Jan31-Dec
WO2RWoodsons1230High Clearance Required1-Jan31-Dec
DT1RDominguez Trailhead824High Clearance Required
JE1RJewels Camp8244x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
JE2RJewels Camp12344x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
LP1RLoop Camp12344x4 required
LP2RLoop Camp8244x4 required
JR1RJohnson's Ranch10244x4 required
JR2RJohnson's Ranch8224x4 required
GA1RGauging Station610High Clearance Required
BD1RBlack Dike1020High Clearance Required
BA1RBuenos Aires10244x4 required
BA2RBuenos Aires6104x4 required1-Jan31-Dec
OG1ROcotillo Grove820High Clearance Recommended; No Large RVs
TA1RTerlingua Abaja820High Clearance Recommended
TA2RTerlingua Abaja820High Clearance Recommended
TA3RTerlingua Abaja820High Clearance Recommended
RM1RRattlesnake Mountain610High Clearance Recommended; No Large RVs
JF-1CJuniper Flat410
JF-2CJuniper Flat630
JF-3CJuniper Flat630
BM-1CBoulder Meadow420
BM-2CBoulder Meadow420
BM-3CBoulder Meadow420
BM-4CBoulder Meadow420
BM-5CBoulder Meadow620
PI-1CPinnacles410
PI-2CPinnacles620
PI-3CPinnacles1550
TM-1CToll Mountain410
BC-1CBoot Canyon620
BC-2CBoot Canyon1250
BC-3CBoot Canyon420
BC-4CBoot Canyon620
CO-1CColima1550
CO-2CColima310
CO-3CColima420
JC-1CJuniper Canyon620
NE-1CNortheast Rim520
NE-2CNortheast Rim620
NE-3CNortheast Rim620
NE-4CNortheast Rim1050Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
NE-5CNortheast Rim620Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
SE-1CSoutheast Rim620Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
SE-2CSoutheast Rim620Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
SE-3CSoutheast Rim1050Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
SE-4CSoutheast Rim620Seasonal Peregrine Falcon Closing1-Feb31-May
SW-2CSouthwest Rim310
SW-3CSouthwest Rim1040
SW-4CSouthwest Rim410
BL-1CBlue Creek410
BL-2CBlue Creek410
LM-1CLaguna Meadow620
LM-2CLaguna Meadow1050
LM-3CLaguna Meadow620
LM-4CLaguna Meadow620
LW-1CLaguna West420
LW-2CLaguna West410
LW-3CLaguna West410
W01ZCanyon Flag Zone20Zone camping rules apply
W02ZBruja Canyon Zone20Zone camping rules apply
W03ZMariposa Zone20Zone camping rules apply
W04ZCanyon Rim Zone20Zone camping rules apply
W05ZTerlingua Creek Zone30Zone camping rules apply
W06ZChimneys Zone25Zone camping rules apply
W07ZTule Mountain Zone35Zone camping rules apply
N01ZSlickrock Zone60Zone camping rules apply
N02ZPaint Gap Zone40Zone camping rules apply
N03ZGrapevine Zone40Zone camping rules apply
N04ZNorth Rosillos Zone35Zone camping rules apply
N05ZNine Point Zone35Zone camping rules apply
E01ZTornillo Creek60Zone camping rules apply
E02ZDagger Mountain Zone40Zone camping rules apply
E03ZSue Peaks Zone50Zone camping rules apply
E04ZTelephone Canyon Zone40Zone camping rules apply
E05ZOre Terminal Zone45Zone camping rules apply
E06ZStrawhouse Zone45Zone camping rules apply
E07ZArroyo Venado Zone40Zone camping rules apply
E08ZMarufo Vega Zone40Zone camping rules apply
C03ZLower Juniper Zone30Zone camping rules apply
C05ZBlue Creek Zone20Zone camping rules apply
C06ZWard Spring Zone10Zone camping rules apply
C07ZAsh Spring Zone40Zone camping rules apply
C08ZWright Mountain Zone30Zone camping rules apply
C09ZHayes Ridge Zone30Zone camping rules apply
S01ZMule Ears Zone18Zone camping rules apply
S02ZUpper Smoky Zone35Zone camping rules apply
S04ZDominguez Zone40Zone camping rules apply
S05ZElephant Tusk Zone40Zone camping rules apply
S06ZPettits Zone25Zone camping rules apply
S07ZMariscal Mountain Zone35Zone camping rules apply
S08ZTalley Mountain Zone30Zone camping rules apply
S09ZChilicotal Zone50Zone camping rules apply

I was going to add it to my other list (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/backcountry-campsites/welcome-to-the-big-bend-backcountry-campsite-review-board/msg122226/#msg122226), but it was too much data for the board to handle.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: mule ears on April 18, 2013, 04:48:39 PM
Sweet Lance!  That took a lot of work to put together.  I really like having the zones overlayed, that map is hard to find and usually not very detailed.  Thanks!   :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: kevint on April 19, 2013, 05:48:40 PM
Backcountry Zones Overlay Image that provides name, code, and capacity for each zone.  Un-check the box to hide the overlay image.

Lance,

I'm curious about the overlay.  Is it a geotiff or geopdf or done some other way?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Lance on April 19, 2013, 05:53:17 PM
Backcountry Zones Overlay Image that provides name, code, and capacity for each zone.  Un-check the box to hide the overlay image.

Lance,

I'm curious about the overlay.  Is it a geotiff or geopdf or done some other way?

Thanks.

It's just a jpeg I snipped out of the actual backcountry zone map.  I overlayed it by adding an overlay (http://www.google.com/earth/outreach/tutorials/earthoverlays.html) in google earth, then positioning it to match the NP border as best I could.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: fartymarty on May 17, 2013, 03:47:37 PM
Sweet Lance!  That took a lot of work to put together.   Thanks!   :eusa_clap:

Ditto Lance, very nice,  :eusa_clap: Thanks!!! :13:

(Yeah, I'm late to the party, but no less appreciative.  :eusa_dance:)

edit: OK, color me even more impressed  :great: :eusa_clap: , I didn't realize that the sites are cross linked here to the board
and pictures if available. Very nice indeed. A wonderful planning tool.

Isn't it great when Richard and kevint get an idea and then it snowballs big time?

Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Jelf on May 17, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
Nice looking sneak peek indeed.   :eusa_clap:
I'll add it to my links page when you say it's done.

Joseph, the Gmap4 guy
http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.html
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on January 08, 2014, 11:19:43 AM
It looks like the NPS websites for at least some of the backcountry campsites have been restored and updated.

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/roadsidecamps.htm
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: kevint on January 08, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
Yes. There are even a number of pictures.


Kevint
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on January 08, 2014, 12:38:20 PM
It looks like the NPS websites for at least some of the backcountry campsites have been restored and updated.

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/roadsidecamps.htm

Yes. There are even a number of pictures.

Sadly, http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/campsite_chilicotal.htm is still 404. :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: kevint on January 08, 2014, 02:58:26 PM
Sadly, http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/campsite_chilicotal.htm (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/campsite_chilicotal.htm) is still 404. :roll:

Not for me.  At least now.  Perhaps someone saw your post and fixed it?  Big Brother?
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: TexasAggieHiker on January 08, 2014, 08:06:15 PM
Works for me.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on January 08, 2014, 09:32:51 PM
Sadly, http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/campsite_chilicotal.htm (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/campsite_chilicotal.htm) is still 404. :roll:

Not for me.  At least now.  Perhaps someone saw your post and fixed it?  Big Brother?
If so, that's the quickest response ever from the NPS when it comes to fixing/updating web pages.
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on January 30, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
This link has been posted elsewhere (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/hiking-the-mountains/chisos-mountains-backcountry-campsites/) on the board, but I get tired of having to search for it. :icon_rolleyes:

This is a booklet put together by Ranger Eric when he was still in BIBE with info on all of the Chisos backcountry sites. I believe the visitor centers have a printout of it available for reference when getting your permits. It's pretty big (over 9MB), but that's because it has lots of pictures of the sites, etc.

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/upload/Chisos-Mountains-Backcountry-Campsites-2007-final-draft-high-res.pdf
Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: Casa Grande on January 30, 2014, 11:39:09 AM
Yes, it's an awesome resource. I miss Eric.

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Title: Re: Welcome to the Big Bend Backcountry Campsite review board
Post by: RichardM on March 01, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
As to primitive roadside sites, they are shown on the basic park map, which used to be easy to find on the NPS website. I gave up looking for it after a few minutes, but maybe someone else can find it. In the meantime, here's the old version from 2007:
http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/misc/BIBE_map1_2007.pdf
Here's a backcountry roadside map that I annotated with the campsite numbers.
Here is Jim's version (click to see full-size):
(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/misc/RoadsideCampsitesMap.jpg) (http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/misc/RoadsideCampsitesMap.jpg)