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Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: RichardM on January 24, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Snakes of Texas:
http://www.lifesci.utexas.edu/research/txherps/snakes/
Title: Red Snakes Crossing Road in BB
Post by: BigBendHiker on January 25, 2006, 12:22:41 PM
I have seen these long red snakes crossing the roads in Big Bend...I am sure there is someone who knows their common name?
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Casa Grande on January 25, 2006, 01:14:57 PM
coachwhip:

(http://www.kingsnake.com/venom/testaceus.jpg)
(not my pic)

ran over one on my motorcycle on Old Maverick road several years ago....didn't like me too much after that, as he kinda started after me when I crashed...freaked me out. I asked the ranger what it was, he told me and said the snake was FAST AND AGRESSIVE....no crap, he was at that! (but not poisonous)
Title: HOLY SHOOT BATMAN
Post by: SHANEA on January 25, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
Holy shoot batman, is that a rabbit in his clutches?  I've never seen one of those before in all my visits and certainly not in TREES!  Good golly batman, I was always looking on the ground for those long snakes that like to rattle you before killing you, isn't it true that the 3rd in line always gets bit?  That's why I try to be #1 or #2 in a hiking column.
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: BigBendHiker on January 25, 2006, 02:45:53 PM
Yep...that's them all right!  The one I saw did not have a rabbit in his mouth, of course.  

To think they could catch a rabbit....sounds like they can move fast...think I will keep my distance...
Title: Bad@ss!!
Post by: chisos_muse on January 25, 2006, 05:41:38 PM
That has to be one of the coolest pics I have ever seen :!:

See animals in the Big Bend are like UFO's and Ghosts to me....always wanted to see one.....never have! Not that the roadrunners, jackrabbits, scaled quail, "suicidal" cottontails, turkey vultures and lizards aren't cool..... :wink:
Title: Re: Bad@ss!!
Post by: Casa Grande on January 25, 2006, 09:01:23 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
........lizards aren't cool..... :wink:


well, i think my friend, "Disco Stu" here would disagree!

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/earless-lizard.jpg)
Title: Stu...
Post by: chisos_muse on January 25, 2006, 09:41:35 PM
Hey! I said ol Stu WAS cool! Along with his other lil friends too......wher'ed he get that Zoot Suit from anyway? LOL 8)
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Bobcat on January 26, 2006, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: "David Locke"
coachwhip:

(http://www.kingsnake.com/venom/testaceus.jpg)
(not my pic)

ran over one on my motorcycle on Old Maverick road several years ago....didn't like me too much after that, as he kinda started after me when I crashed...freaked me out. I asked the ranger what it was, he told me and said the snake was FAST AND AGRESSIVE....no crap, he was at that! (but not poisonous)


I posted this true story on the old page. I'm too lazy to edit, but here it is again:

OK, Jeff.  Kiss my credibility goodbye.  This is want happened and there's no embellishment in this account.  This was the most bizzare thing that's ever happened to me with respect to snakes.  It wasn't bizzare that I was once tagged by a Timber Rattlesnake(a capture for photo incident).  This incident was bizzare because of the timing and  decision made by a Coachwhip.  I wanted a good photo of a Coachwhip this Spring.  And, of course, the best opportunity for this is to spot one on a road.  Well, one late afternoon, I took a turn onto the Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive from 118.  And, less than a mile down the road I spotted a Coachwhip on some concrete.  The snake was on the west side of the road.  The concrete was there the handle rain runoff.  The snake was situated for a west to east crossing.  So I drove past the snake and pulled the car over. When I opened the car door, it became apparent that the snake was going the cross the road.  It was just inching to the east.  So, I thought my best chance for my shot would be to run over to the shoulder of the road on the east side, directly across from the snake.  And, when I got in position, the snake was about 3 feet into the road on the west side. At this point, the Coachwhip reared its head to assess the situation.  It was looking directly at me from a distance of roughly 15 feet.  This is when it made its decision.  I guessed it was going to go to my right or left or retreat back to the west.  And this is what made this incident so bizzare.  This snake, AT THAT DISTANCE, made the following decision:  Incredibily, it decided to come at me full blast and launch an massive strike. It managed to tag my left hand, the hand holding my camera.  I was standing upright at the time with my camera  at eye level.  This was a large Coachwhip.  The snake then dropped down and made its way into a huge complex of prickly pear directly behind me.  I was stunned.  I really couldn't believe that that snake actually did what it did. I couldn't believe that the snake actually got that far off the ground to tag me that high.  But it did. I got so caught up in this snakes behavior that I didn't get a photo. What a photo that would have been.  It all happened very fast.  I just stood there in disbelief.  The bite was inconsequential.  I had some bleeding at the base of my thumb area and tooth marks. I'm thinking that the reason the snake charged from that distance was because the complex of prickly pear directly behind me was its home. I told the account to some park staff and showed them the bite.  Believe me. This is a true story.  I tried to find some similar Coachwhip accounts on the Web,but no luck.  If anybody finds a good account, please present it here.  Coachwhips are known to be very aggressive if cornered.  But, this one wasn't cornerned.  So, there you have it, exactly the way it happened.
Title: Coachwhip story
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 12:59:16 PM
Bobcat: Found a forum on the net with coachwhip encounters etc.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/racer/messages/282.html
Title: coachwhip
Post by: MarkB on January 26, 2006, 01:03:23 PM
Bobcat: Forgot to sign on again...dangit. Thought you would enjoy that coachwhip story/link above..MarkB
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: randell on January 26, 2006, 01:52:19 PM
I almost stepped on a rattlesnake in the basin once.  However, I didn't get to take a photo because my girlfriend was screaming bloody murder (not the girl I married).

I did see this cool kingsnake eating another snake on my front porch at home, though:

(http://zerr.net/BLT/2004_03/03.jpg)
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: 10ftTall&BulletPrf on January 26, 2006, 02:24:27 PM
...and let's be clear on this issue again...Coachwhips AREN"T poisonous? :?
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Casa Grande on January 26, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
nope, they are NOT poisonous! but they will bite you, and hard, according to the BB rangers....
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Don H on January 26, 2006, 03:27:28 PM
Hey MarkB, you ought to click on that (automatically sign me on when I enter the site) button or something like that It's right there where you sign on I think.  That's what I did anyway, does anyone know any reason why you shouldn't?
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: MarkB on January 26, 2006, 03:33:20 PM
Good idea. Either I missed that or the feature wasnt available when I joined. Either way thanks for the info and have checked the box.
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: RichardM on January 26, 2006, 04:01:05 PM
The usual reason why not to sign on automatically is if you share a computer and don't want others posting as you.  For example, a while back I was using my Mom's PC and didn't log out of Ebay.  My brother came along and promptly put in a bid on my behalf for a Cheech Marin doll with pink tutu.  Good thing I didn't win it or I'd be short one brother... :)
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Casa Grande on January 26, 2006, 05:27:14 PM
Quote from: "RichardM"
The usual reason why not to sign on automatically is if you share a computer and don't want others posting as you.  For example, a while back I was using my Mom's PC and didn't log out of Ebay.  My brother came along and promptly put in a bid on my behalf for a Cheech Marin doll with pink tutu.  Good thing I didn't win it or I'd be short one brother... :)


funny funny funny  :lol: touche
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: 10ftTall&BulletPrf on January 27, 2006, 08:54:17 AM
Quote from: "RichardM"
The usual reason why not to sign on automatically is if you share a computer and don't want others posting as you.  


That's right, you don't want anyone posting as you. They need go out and get their own "Guest" designation!  :D
Title: Re: Coachwhip story
Post by: Bobcat on January 27, 2006, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Bobcat: Found a forum on the net with coachwhip encounters etc.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/racer/messages/282.html


Thanks very much, guest.  Those accounts sure help my credibility.  I'll add my account on the Kingsnake.com site.  Thanks again.  Bob cat.
Title: DAMMM....
Post by: chisos_muse on January 27, 2006, 12:31:41 PM
Like your updated pic Bobcat!!

Uhhh.....how is it you haven't ended up married? 8)

Oh that's right,  :lol: , never brought a lady to the Bender!
Title: Re: DAMMM....
Post by: Bobcat on January 27, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Like your updated pic Bobcat!!

Uhhh.....how is it you haven't ended up married? 8)

Oh that's right,  :lol: , never brought a lady to the Bender!


Ahhh, the marriage thing.....I'm still lookin for a lady that doesn't mind a reptilian tongue.  No luck thus far : /
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Casa Grande on January 27, 2006, 01:34:56 PM
oh my god, bobcat!  i ran screaming down the street when i saw that!  :?
Title: Re: Coachwhip story
Post by: MarkB on January 27, 2006, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: "Bobcat"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Bobcat: Found a forum on the net with coachwhip encounters etc.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/racer/messages/282.html


Thanks very much, guest.  Those accounts sure help my credibility.  I'll add my account on the Kingsnake.com site.  Thanks again.  Bob cat.


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Your welcome Bobcat. That was a post I made and forgot to login etc.
Title: JOE E. LANDEZ, DEADBEAT DAD
Post by: PLandez on January 28, 2006, 06:33:53 AM
SNAKERS/HERPERS:  There is a posting under DEADBEAT DAD/JOE E. LANDEZ about a deadbeat father that is also a snake enthusiast in the Big Bend area.  If you have any employment information on this guy please respond to the posting under OTHER TOPICS.   He is Mexican, average height, chubby, nothing special looking, lives in housing at Lajitas Resort.  THANKS!
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: Bobcat on January 28, 2006, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: "David Locke"
oh my god, bobcat!  i ran screaming down the street when i saw that!  :?


This is the untold story of what can happen after a rattlesnake bite. Sometimes I find the tongue to be an asset, but all too often it becomes a liability. I'm thinkin about seeing an ear, nose, and tongue specialist to see what can be done.
Title: Re: Coachwhip story
Post by: Bobcat on January 28, 2006, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: "MarkB"
Quote from: "Bobcat"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Bobcat: Found a forum on the net with coachwhip encounters etc.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/racer/messages/282.html


Thanks very much, guest.  Those accounts sure help my credibility.  I'll add my account on the Kingsnake.com site.  Thanks again.  Bob cat.


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Your welcome Bobcat. That was a post I made and forgot to login etc.


Thanks Mark. Yesterday, I posted my account on the Kingsnake.com site in the "Coachwhip and Racers" forum.  Got some replies to that post that make my story even more credible. Obviously, the people on those forums are very serious herpers.
Title: coachwhips
Post by: MarkB on January 28, 2006, 11:53:16 AM
I have seen dead ones before in the bend and after reading your account, that is the only kind I want to see within striking distance... which appears to be many yards. Interesting handle by the way over at the other forum.
Title: Re: JOE E. LANDEZ, DEADBEAT DAD
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 12:51:35 AM
Quote from: "PLandez"
DEADBEAT DAD/JOE E. LANDEZ


Give it a rest.  I don't know what you want anyone to do about this.  You know where he is living and by the sounds of it he has no money.  What else do you want to know?   This isn't the time/place for this.  I sympathize with your plight, but really there is nothing any of us can do about it - plus we really don't know, other than your word, that Joe Landez is a deadbeat dad.  Go to the state attny. generals office or the child support/child protection office where ever you live at.  Personally, I'm not getting involved in any of this is it is NOMB.   8)
Title: Re: JOE E. LANDEZ, DEADBEAT DAD
Post by: SHANEA on January 29, 2006, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Quote from: "PLandez"
DEADBEAT DAD/JOE E. LANDEZ


Oops, the above was I.  When thou clear thy cookies thy automagic login don't workie.   :lol:  8)
Title: Re: Coachwhip story
Post by: Bobcat on January 31, 2006, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: "Bobcat"
Quote from: "MarkB"
Quote from: "Bobcat"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Bobcat: Found a forum on the net with coachwhip encounters etc.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/racer/messages/282.html


Thanks very much, guest.  Those accounts sure help my credibility.  I'll add my account on the Kingsnake.com site.  Thanks again.  Bob cat.


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Your welcome Bobcat. That was a post I made and forgot to login etc.


Thanks Mark. Yesterday, I posted my account on the Kingsnake.com site in the "Coachwhip and Racers" forum.  Got some replies to that post that make my story even more credible. Obviously, the people on those forums are very serious herpers.


Here's the thread I started at Kingsnake.com.  My handle is "sprem".  I just like the feel of that handle.  There's more than 3 posts, so go to bottom and click on "show entire thread".  Skip my "Coachwhip Account" as it's the same account I presented here.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=996516,996516
Title: "Sprem"
Post by: chisos_muse on January 31, 2006, 06:59:35 PM
Hmmm...like the feel of that eh? Aer ew gngio bcak ot hte hlwoe belgeli ubt leldsimpe sdowr? MLOA :lol:  :lol:


How'd ya tend to that bite anyway?
Title: Re: "Sprem"
Post by: Bobcat on January 31, 2006, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Hmmm...like the feel of that eh? Aer ew gngio bcak ot hte hlwoe belgeli ubt leldsimpe sdowr? MLOA :lol:  :lol:


How'd ya tend to that bite anyway?


ans to the first question = not nessy sarah lee

ans to the second question = the Timber bite story I posted on the old chat site:

 It was a warm, humid Friday( 6-11-93) and I was heading for a Mississippi Bluff area on the Wisconsin side of the River that had all the necessary habitat for Crotalis Horridus aka Timber Rattlesnake.  When I arrived at the area on foot, I found myself approximately 2 miles from my car.  This was going to be a capture-photo-release event.  About 2/3 of the way up the bluff, I surprised 4 Timbers behind an up slope side of a large slab of limestone.  These snakes were fully stretched and all in contact with one another.  When they caught sight of me, they immediately took refuge under the rock.  I'm very careful to not damage snakes, so I took my time to get these herps moving. And when they finally made their move, all of them went in different directions.  The largest snake, which I was chasing, managed to get down to an overhang of limestone with a large hole underneath. And when I caught up with my friend, I needed to do a fast tail pull to get a proper herp hook in position.  The head was in an S config just inside the hole(which I failed to see) and that turned out to be the brown lightning that hit my left hand(these were my reckless days of "hotdog herping"). The snake was now coiled in the classic coil and was just looking at me,waiting for something to happen. And for good reason.  Within 10 seconds, I became aware that this wasn't a dry bite and I was in serious trouble. I tried to suck out what poison I could, but of course, that's totally ineffective.  Then, I used my headband as a wide tourniquet above the left hand. Having done that, it was time to get down off the bluff.  But on the way down, bad things were happening in my body and the scenery was getting to look a tad fuzzy.  You may wonder what was going through my head at this time.  Was I thinking of death?  No.  I was thinking that I needed to get myself out of this unfortunate situation.  Somehow, you just keep moving.  I managed to get down onto the railroad tracks, but I was fading significantly and it became apparent that making it to the car was not an option.  Then I heard the faint voice of a child.  So I picked myself up and headed toward the voice.  And about a quarter mile down the tracks I heard an adult voice.  As it turned out, a young couple and their child had just landed their boat on a small spit of sand on the River. I broke through the brush and stumbled into their private space.  Naturally, they were somewhat frightened.  I was very dirty and sweaty and my hand and forearm were swollen twice their normal size and were dark blue.  But I was able to communicate my situation to them and asked them if they would please boat me up to the little railroad town of Diamond Bluff.  Once there, I would call an ambulance.  Their first move was to try to flag the only other boat on the River,but no dice.  So they reluctantly got involved and boated me to Diamond Bluff and dropped me off with some house builders.  I was in real bad shape now.  And I had this incredible thirst.  It was overwhelming.  When the ambulance arrived, I was on my back and in full shock.  My B/P was 60/40 I was told later.  At the hospital(after the surgeon consulted with an Az hospital and the Mayo Clinic) the surgeon made 3 huge cuts into my hand to relieve the pressure and then the antivenin was started (4 hours after the bite).  4 days later I went into anaphylactic shock from the antivenin.  That required heavy duty cortisone products, IV style.  My blood required a near total makeover.  After 10 days in a Red Wing, MN hospital, I was shipped to the VA Hospital in Minneapolis for more treatment.  The rest of the story has to do with subsequent hand operations and occupational therapy which I don't think you'd find very interesting.
Title: "Cheesecake? Poundcake?"
Post by: chisos_muse on February 01, 2006, 08:41:26 AM
"Nobody does it like Sara Lee?" :?

Your story had me on the edge of my seat.....I read it out loud to my beau and he made cringes in his face as if he were feeling your pain much like he did when watching Richard's animated football slam!
Then we had poundcake....... :wink:

Glad ya made it through that whole ordeal, the board wouldn't be the same without ya, Bobcat! 8)
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: randell on February 01, 2006, 09:16:07 AM
That story will scare some sense into ya.  I always knew a bite could be bad, but not that bad!  Yikes.  

I've never been bitten, but had a few close scrapes.  One time when I was a kid living on a ranch in South Texas, I was riding my bike in the driveway.  My parents had always told me not to go into the tall grass where the mowed area ended.  One day I was jacking around and wound up in the tall grass.  Sure enough, I ran over or right next to a rattler.  I just remember looking down and seeing him strike the pedals of the bike where my foot had just been.  Needless to say, I went screaming to the house.

Another time I walked out to the barn were I had a few weeks earlier stacked bailes hay about 8 feet high.  As I rounded the corner of the stack, my eye caught movement and there was a rattler at eye level sitting in a gap between bailes of hay.  He didn't strike, but scared the bejeesus out of me.

Ok, last one: one time my dad took me to my grandfather's ranch near D'Hanis (west of San Antonio) and he took me swimming in a stock tank.  I was concerned (I mostly grew up in West Texas where there isn't much water - so not much aquatic experience) about swimming in water where I couldn't see the bottom.  He coaxed me in and as I was swimming around nervously, I said "what if there is a snake in here".  "There's no snakes in here, " he said.  A few seconds later I looked behind him and saw a snake swimming across the water.  "What's that?", I asked.  That ended out swim for the day.
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: RichardM on February 01, 2006, 09:45:37 AM
Just don't ask Bobcat to repost the picture of his hand after the bite.  Ok, maybe a link to it for those just too curious or looking for help with their diets.

I haven't had too many rattler encounters, so I guess I've been lucky.  My best story (lame as it is) was from my Boy Scout days.  Three of us were doing a reconnoiter hike in the dark on the back side of Enchanted Rock.  We were camped in Becky's Crack (now called Echo Canyon) and as the younger members of the troop we were sent out for firewood.  I was already a convert to using night vision and saving the flashlight for emergencies but my two friends were as yet uneducated.  I let them stay 20-30 yards ahead of me so I wouldn't lose my sight.  They walked right over a rattler warming itself on a flat rock, apparently thinking it was just a stick.  I recognized it from about 5 feet away and went around it, calmly saying "Hey guys, did you see this rattlesnake on the trail?"  They both levitated up onto a large boulder.  After we went back and inspected the snake, I educated them on how if you walk with a flashlight, you only see what's directly in the beam of light and miss everything else.  By the time we got back to junior high on Monday, that rattler had grown from three feet long to over six.
Title: Must repost hand now
Post by: Bobcat on February 01, 2006, 11:48:03 AM
This was when my hand was looking much,much better.  The really gross pics are on transparencies.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a211/sprem/trb.jpg)
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: randell on February 01, 2006, 12:05:30 PM
Looks like a picture from Terminator!  What ARE those things stuck in your hand?
Title: Bobcat's hand
Post by: RichardM on February 01, 2006, 12:30:05 PM
Dagnabbit!  I said put it in as a link, not an embedded image!  Glad I already had lunch...

(Actually the pic doesn't bother me much, but my inner child likes the idea of others being bugged by it)
Title: What the ??
Post by: Johnny on February 01, 2006, 12:34:12 PM
Did you break the hand as well??That device is called an external fixation device.It is used to stabalize really nasty fractures.Also looks like a stabilization pin has been drilled into the thumb.
Title: Re: What the ??
Post by: Bobcat on February 01, 2006, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: "Johnny"
Did you break the hand as well??That device is called an external fixation device.It is used to stabalize really nasty fractures.Also looks like a stabilization pin has been drilled into the thumb.


They had to use that apparatus because of the massive tissue damage in that hand. No broken bones.  They wanted that hand to look like a hand after their treatment.

ps to Randell.   Prior to that bite, I had made well over a hundred Timber captures and releases.  And, I did many more captures and releases after the bite.  However, after the bite, I changed my method and started using herp tongs(much safer).  Currently, I'm out of the capture/release business and now just check on some dens in the Spring and Fall.  I'll take a photo without disturbing the snakes.
Title: Snakes of Texas
Post by: randell on February 01, 2006, 01:52:52 PM
That had to be a miserable experience.  

Living in the country, we had a number of animals.  Among them were a large contingent of cats.  One cat was bit in the head by a snake once.  I don't know that it was a rattler, but his whole head became swolen and he was very lethargic for a while, but he pulled through and was eventually back to his normal self except for he had fang-scars on his head.  He was a very large, heavy built cat, so that may have helped him.  Have no idea what kind of snake bit him, though.  

Aother time I looked out the window of our house and saw a troop of cats had surrounded our four horse trailer.  I went out to investigate and discovered that they had a snake trapped under the trailer.  When the snake was looking at one cat, another would come in from behind and take a swipe at it.  This went on for some time.  It was something to watch this go down - the cats had a very intersting strategy going.  Don't remember what happened to the snake (this was about 20 years ago).

I've had a lot of encounters with snakes but I don't think I could do what you do as they scare the hell out of me.  I handled a bullsnake that my mom caught once, but that creeped me out to no end.
Title: Cool....
Post by: chisos_muse on February 01, 2006, 04:42:24 PM
Ouchy!!!

Are there many scars? Chicks dig scars....Tell them the snake was 40 feet long and 10 feet tall........it won't matter, they'll already be drunk..... :?
Title: Re: Cool....
Post by: Bobcat on February 01, 2006, 07:58:43 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Ouchy!!!

Are there many scars? Chicks dig scars....Tell them the snake was 40 feet long and 10 feet tall........it won't matter, they'll already be drunk..... :?


If Chicks dig scars, I gots scars wherever they want them : /