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Ray52

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« on: May 07, 2006, 09:13:58 PM »
God and Exxon willing, I'm planning my 2nd trip to BIBE for late fall/early winter of this year.  In February I stayed in the Basin, some of the backcountry sites in the Chisos, and one night in Cottonwood, and it was all wonderful.  But since I've started reading the posts on this site realize that's just a very small sample of what the park has to offer.  I'd appreciate your advice on some of the backcountry sites in the park that I can get to in a 2 wheel drive pick up.  Thanks in advance for your response.

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Offline Roy

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2006, 10:28:33 PM »
Depending on the conditions at the time, you should be able to get to most of the back country sites with your truck;  check with the Rangers when you get there.  
I like the sites along the Old Ore Road that are close to Tornillo Creek, La Noria is my favorite;  great views off to the west.  I also like Paint Gap 1 and 4.  For some reason, I see a lot of wildlife there, and not just near the spring.  I personally don't like the River Road.
There was a thread about this somewhere;  maybe someone can post it for you.
This is from the BBNP official site;  it should be helpful.
http://www.nps.gov/bibe/backcountry/bccamps/roadsides/roadsidecamps.htm

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2006, 11:13:04 PM »
I have a thing for Fresno:



It's on the River Road near Mariscal Mine.
WATER, It does a body good.

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 12:14:43 AM »
That is an nice campsite Brian...You & Me :?: ...we think a like. Keep on posting :!:  :!:
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 12:32:45 AM »
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I have a thing for Fresno:


Do you get a lot of traffic there, dust, etc. with the mine being so close by?  I can't say that I've ever looked at Fresno, but according to the map it looks like there is a little spur off the main road.  

My current fav is La Noria, just cause it's pretty close to the Hot Springs, pretty much isolated, great views, etc.  

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/backcountry/bccamps/roadsides/riverroad/fresno.htm

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/backcountry/bccamps/roadsides/oldoreroad/lanoria.htm

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Offline Desert Rat

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 06:45:21 AM »
Roy and I differ on the River Road.  I always loved travelling that part of the park, but recommend caution about camping too close to the river.  There are some threads dealing with that issue.

It is very important to check road conditions before heading out, but in most cases ground clearance will get you where you want to go.

BIBE has a lot to offer.  Each of us has only to explore enough to find our own favorite areas.

While it isn't too far off the paved road, I went into Pine Canyon a couple of times in a Toyota Celica in the early 70's.  On the other hand, I once rescued some people trying to go to Glenn Spring in a Pontiac Bonneville after they got high centered.

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 07:19:07 AM »
IN a Truck,you should be able to get to most places.....

Possible Problem areas with a 4x2 pickup:

Juniper Canyon Road
Top Half of Black Gap Road
Old Ore from about McKinney to Ernst (middle part)
River Road West
Top Portion of Paint Gap

"Easy" areas:
Grapevine
Croton Spring
Paint Gap (to PG3 only)
Nine Point Draw
Glenn Springs (portions)

Having said that, you need to check with the ranger when you get there so have several backup plans.

My own experience is Glenn Springs should be a very good option for you.  Try out GS 2.....very nice campsite with nice views and some great exploring areas (junk yard across the road from the campsite a couple of hundred yards) Pretty much any Grapevine site will be good.  You might be able to get Paint Gap 4 in a truck, but it might be kinda rough.

It really all depends on the rain and how much clearance you have. If you have a full size pick up like F150 style, you should be fine, mostly.  I've driven a 4 door sedan down to McKinney from Dagger Flat road, Glenn Springs to GS2, and Paint Gap to PG4 (not recommended).

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 08:48:42 AM »
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "bdann"
I have a thing for Fresno:


Do you get a lot of traffic there, dust, etc. with the mine being so close by?  I can't say that I've ever looked at Fresno, but according to the map it looks like there is a little spur off the main road.  



It's far enough off the main road that dust and stuff isn't a problem.  You can certainly hear vehicles when they go by.  Unless you're really looking for it, the campsite isn't visible from the main road.

I always want to check out some of the other sites along the River Road, but always seem to end up at Fresno.
WATER, It does a body good.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 08:49:51 AM »
There's a switchback on the Old Ore Road just south of La Noria/Ernst Tinaja sites that can wash out pretty badly;  glad I had  4WD a couple of times through there.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 11:32:13 AM »
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There's a switchback on the Old Ore Road just south of La Noria/Ernst Tinaja sites that can wash out pretty badly;  glad I had  4WD a couple of times through there.


thats what i was thinking that limited 2wd access tp the souther parts of Old Ore road. in february, we went down there wiht my jeep and my friend's 2wd ranger. i was slipping and sliding in 4 low in some spots, he didn't have a chance. i had to pull him up to get past it

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2006, 11:37:47 AM »
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Quote from: "Roy"
There's a switchback on the Old Ore Road just south of La Noria/Ernst Tinaja sites that can wash out pretty badly;  glad I had  4WD a couple of times through there.


thats what i was thinking that limited 2wd access tp the souther parts of Old Ore road. in february, we went down there wiht my jeep and my friend's 2wd ranger. i was slipping and sliding in 4 low in some spots, he didn't have a chance. i had to pull him up to get past it


i just took a 4x2 "mountaineer" to Ernst in February without any problems. Again, it depends on when you are there, check with a ranger. It is impossible to tell you right now.

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2006, 11:39:27 AM »
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Quote from: "01ACRViper"
Quote from: "Roy"
There's a switchback on the Old Ore Road just south of La Noria/Ernst Tinaja sites that can wash out pretty badly;  glad I had  4WD a couple of times through there.


thats what i was thinking that limited 2wd access tp the souther parts of Old Ore road. in february, we went down there wiht my jeep and my friend's 2wd ranger. i was slipping and sliding in 4 low in some spots, he didn't have a chance. i had to pull him up to get past it


i just took a 4x2 "mountaineer" to Ernst in February without any problems. Again, it depends on when you are there, check with a ranger. It is impossible to tell you right now.


i'm thinking it was the driver mostly  :lol: his 4wd driving experience is 0. however, there were som badly placed unavoidable large boulders that slowed you down, and once you slowed down, the only way to get going again was to start over.

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2006, 12:25:03 PM »
Our favorite backcountry is GS-1 (the one just off Black Gap).

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/backcountry/bccamps/roadsides/glennsprgroad/glennspr.htm

Awsome Seclusion and you get lots of visitors at night (spring is real close).

Robert
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2006, 08:03:43 PM »
A couple of questions.  How long do you have and do you like to hike?  There is a lot to see and generally a 2 wheel drive pickup does just fine.  There several options that have already been discussed but a better understanding of what you like to do would help.  

If you have basic dirt road driving skills you can go virtually everywhere in the park with a 2 wheel drive pickup, the only no go, in my experience, is Black Gap Road.  The are occasional problems on the west end of River Road with a dike or two that are hard to get over.  Don't get me wrong, there a some places that if you aren't used to driving poorly maintained dirt roads that can be a little scary, for example the hill south of Ernst can be hard to get up if you are headed north. although we've done it in a compact rent car.  There is also a streambed north of McKinney Springs on the other end of Ore Road that washes out pretty bad and sometimes it's a bit of a challange to get to Juniper Canyon for a similar reason.  In most cases if you just keep moving you'll do fine.  In virtually all cases it's nothing a shovel and a little work won't cure.

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2006, 09:35:37 PM »
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.....for example the hill south of Ernst can be hard to get up if you are headed north. although we've done it in a compact rent car.....  In most cases if you just keep moving you'll do fine.  In virtually all cases it's nothing a shovel and a little work won't cure.


Know that hill well, took 4x4 low and low tranny to haul the r2d2 up it, but no prob.  Just slow and steady.  DON'T SPIN YOUR TIRES on the rocks, you will shred a tire.  Happened to a buddy of mine in his 4x4 Dodge @ BGWMA - wasn't in 4x4 at the time.  Not much left of it, the tire.

Keeping moving is the key.  

If you don't have a shovel with you, then you r SOL.

 


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