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Offline presidio

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« on: January 03, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »
Did anyone else notice that the park website makes no mention of a backcountry fee, now that it's Jan 2007 when it was supposedly descending upon us?

All the other promised fee jacking-up appears to have occurred (or at least are shown as going up).

Check http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/feesandreservations.htm

For camping, it only talks about developed campsite fees.

What happened? Did the NPS come to its senses and realize the fee was both unjustified and no great money generator? Did they get so many complaints they actually listened and chose a user-friendly course of action?
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 11:02:53 PM »
Well, disregard. I had my hopes up too high.

See http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/backcountry.htm where is shows the fee will begin Feb 1.

Oh well. At least there's a few more weeks of the way it should be. I wonder why the date changed?
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 11:33:32 PM »
it also says it here: http://www.nps.gov/bibe/parknews/nr06_21.htm
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Additionally, a backcountry and river use fee of $10.00 per permit will be charged for overnight usage only, with all revenue being used for backcountry-related projects. The backcountry and river permit fee will begin on February 1, 2007.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 11:21:00 AM »
If you get a permit for two consecutive nights at a backcountry or zone campsite, is it one $10 fee? Or is it $10 per night?

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 11:32:40 AM »
Per permit not per night

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 12:34:13 PM »
Quote from: "Casa Grande"
Per permit not per night


It has never been clearly stated by the NPS exactly how this will work.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 12:46:09 PM »
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Quote from: "Casa Grande"
Per permit not per night

It has never been clearly stated by the NPS exactly how this will work.


I don't really know how much clearer you can get with this:
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$10.00 per permit

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 12:49:46 PM »
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I don't really know how much clearer you can get with this:
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$10.00 per permit


By golly, you're right.

I will still wait to see how they actually administer this. All one needs to do is scroll back through all the chatter and speculation about this new permit fee to see that the park has never been real specific nor forthcoming in an official manner about the details.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 08:52:52 AM »
when i was getting permits for my last trip, i switched between zone, roadside, and backcountry sites so often that they had to write up 6 permits. no one back there could answer whether that would have cost me $60, or $10 :shock:

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 08:59:51 AM »
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when i was getting permits for my last trip, i switched between zone, roadside, and backcountry sites so often that they had to write up 6 permits. no one back there could answer whether that would have cost me $60, or $10 :shock:

It's possible they may leave that to the discretion of the person doing the permits.  If you bug them too much, you get charged extra.  :)

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 08:59:56 AM »
Quote from: "01ACRViper"
no one back there could answer whether that would have cost me $60, or $10 :shock:


that sucks.  i would think they'd have it figured out by now.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 09:14:22 AM »
Quote from: "01ACRViper"
when i was getting permits for my last trip, i switched between zone, roadside, and backcountry sites so often that they had to write up 6 permits. no one back there could answer whether that would have cost me $60, or $10 :shock:


they would charge you for every permit you get.  this is why it will pay to stick with your game plan.  Yes, after the 1st, it will most likely cost you 60 bucks to do it.  Depending on the IR, I suppose they may or may not waive the charge.  

Of course, Eric could answer this one better than most could.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2007, 09:39:23 AM »
well the funny thing it, that WAS my game plan. when you switch from a zone camping area to a roadside site, you have to have a new permit, they can't go on the same one. when you switch amongst primitive backcountry, roadside, and zone, you have to start a new permit. i was in the offie for 45 minutes filling out all 6 of the permits for 8 nights on my first go round. i hadn't changed anything yet.

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 10:18:28 AM »
Just maybe it's best they don't have it all nailed down - thus you are charged on your attitude and demeanor - if you are nice they just charge you the $10 flat fee.  If you are mean and rude and condescending, then they charge you $10 for every site and every change.    Kinda the reverse of tipping your waiter/waitress.  If you are a good camper - one fee - if a bad camper - another fee.   :D  

If you are going to visit BIBE more than 2x in a year, then purchase the Big Bend Annual Pass for $40.  Each vehicle visit will cost you $20.  $10 for bike, motorcycle, etc.  

Beginning 01/24/2007 - established front country campgrounds will cost $14 per night and include Cottonwood, Chisos Basin, RGV, and RGV-RV start at $21 per night.

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Note: Beginning February 1, 2007, a backcountry use fee of $10.00 per permit will be charged for all overnight use, with all revenue being used for backcountry-related projects.


Thus, it appears to me that if you are needing six permits to switch between roadside, zone, and back country - then it will cost $60.00.
Maybe I'll write up an Excel Spreadsheet some time that computes the costs for you - kinda a cost/benefit analysis.

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 05:20:41 PM »
Before the idle speculation here has Viper paying $3,400 in permits for his next visit to Big Bend, I can now provide some clarifying information on the permit fee program.

We write different paper permits for different backcountry use types for administrative purposes; for the purposes of the backcountry permit fee, a permit is considered to be overnight backcountry use of one designated campsite or zone per night up to fourteen (14) consecutive nights. In Viper's case, as long as the use (zone & otherwise) was consecutive, it's just the $10 fee.

http://home.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/bcpermitfee.htm

Hope this clarifies matters some,

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