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Backcountry Permit Software

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Offline Lance

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2016, 11:25:58 AM »
Good stats gentleman! I knew I liked Big Bend in February for some reason, now I know why!

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Offline Jonah Neff

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2016, 08:16:14 PM »
Perhaps I'm being a little dense here.. but in the file above called "site usage by month - flash.xls" the top of the "people" table says:

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Campsite usage by month for ALL permits from 31-Aug-2015 to 30-Aug-2016. Values are the number of days in a month a site was covered by a permit followed by the monthly accumulation of the number of people at the site each day month.

The campsite I'm interested in is Elephant Tusk, in December.  It says that site had 40 days in December that it was covered by a permit.  Thats a single unit site - how was it covered by a permit for 40 days in a month with 31 days? 

I must be missing something fairly obvious, so I apologize in advance for the silly question.

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2016, 09:19:43 PM »
Perhaps I'm being a little dense here.. but in the file above called "site usage by month - flash.xls" the top of the "people" table says:

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Campsite usage by month for ALL permits from 31-Aug-2015 to 30-Aug-2016. Values are the number of days in a month a site was covered by a permit followed by the monthly accumulation of the number of people at the site each day month.

The campsite I'm interested in is Elephant Tusk, in December.  It says that site had 40 days in December that it was covered by a permit.  Thats a single unit site - how was it covered by a permit for 40 days in a month with 31 days? 

I must be missing something fairly obvious, so I apologize in advance for the silly question.

The EL1 site was permitted 19 days in December. During those 19 days a total of 40 "people" stayed there. Here is the kicker, these are not unique people. In theory, 2 unique individuals could have stayed there 19 days, but had a guest 2 of those days, for a total of 40 people-days. When a permit is made, it is for a certain number of people on a particular day for each site and so these stats are somewhat ambiguous and could lead to an exaggerated perception of the number of park visitors.

By the way, the note quoted above was incorrect on my part due to an edit I had mistakenly made. It should be day, not month, as it had originally read.

-Flash

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2017, 09:49:27 AM »
Now that El Campo has been in use for a full 4 years as of July 29th, here's a graph by month of the 25,346 total permits that were issued.  This should help campers see the relative busyness of the park throughout the course of a year.

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2017, 10:32:23 AM »
Thanks Jim, looks like Jan. is now edging out Feb. for the fewest number of folks in the backcountry during the cooler hiking months.

Can you make the bigger data set available as you have in the past?
« Last Edit: July 31, 2017, 12:08:18 PM by mule ears »
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
http://40yearsofwalking.wordpress.com/

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »
Anybody else notice that the Chisos map they're using still has SW1 on it? EP1 was erased, but it still shows the old trail.



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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2018, 04:26:54 PM »
Anybody else notice that the Chisos map they're using still has SW1 on it? EP1 was erased, but it still shows the old trail.



Not following Richard, your post is from 2015?

Moderator Note: Yup. Not the first post I made about SW-1 disappearing. I think I first mentioned it back in May of 2007. I seem to recall asking one or more NPS folks about it but never got a response.
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temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
http://40yearsofwalking.wordpress.com/

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2018, 05:17:19 PM »
Anybody else notice that the Chisos map they're using still has SW1 on it? EP1 was erased, but it still shows the old trail.



Awesome! Just what I was looking for... Thanks for searching and posting!!!

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2018, 05:38:51 AM »
Anybody else notice that the Chisos map they're using still has SW1 on it? EP1 was erased, but it still shows the old trail.


Awesome! Just what I was looking for... Thanks for searching and posting!!!

Hookim here is the new, more accurate map



temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
http://40yearsofwalking.wordpress.com/

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Offline Hookim

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2018, 09:25:58 AM »
Anybody else notice that the Chisos map they're using still has SW1 on it? EP1 was erased, but it still shows the old trail.


Awesome! Just what I was looking for... Thanks for searching and posting!!!

Hookim here is the new, more accurate map


Thanks, ME. I had wanted to see where SW1 was... Any idea why they closed it down?

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2018, 01:40:12 PM »

Thanks, ME. I had wanted to see where SW1 was... Any idea why they closed it down?

It was a long time ago, I actually never laid eyes on it but my guess is it might have been too exposed like the EP1 site was, where one person died from a lightning strike.  I actually camped at EP1 not long before they closed that one.   :icon_eek:
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
http://40yearsofwalking.wordpress.com/

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Offline Hookim

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2018, 02:48:39 PM »

Thanks, ME. I had wanted to see where SW1 was... Any idea why they closed it down?

It was a long time ago, I actually never laid eyes on it but my guess is it might have been too exposed like the EP1 site was, where one person died from a lightning strike.  I actually camped at EP1 not long before they closed that one.   :icon_eek:
Whoa! I didn't know that about EP1. Wondered about that change as well. Thanks for the info...

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2019, 10:39:02 AM »


1. Rice Tank -  4.3 miles
2. Pine Canyon 1, 2, 4, 5 - 2.6 mi, then 4.2 mi
3. Paint Gap 4,1 - 4 is 4 mi
4. McKinney Springs - 6 miles
5. Candelilla CA - 1.1 miles
6. Glenn Springs - 8.8 mi
7. Robbers Roost - 10.8 miles





Hey guys, regarding the El Campo backcountry reservation system, where is the link? Does it truly exist, because it is not advertised on the national Park website. Iíve noticed over the years that back country sites are more and more occupied with no one actually staying in them. thanks for your help, would love to learn more about this.


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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2019, 03:24:02 PM »


1. Rice Tank -  4.3 miles
2. Pine Canyon 1, 2, 4, 5 - 2.6 mi, then 4.2 mi
3. Paint Gap 4,1 - 4 is 4 mi
4. McKinney Springs - 6 miles
5. Candelilla CA - 1.1 miles
6. Glenn Springs - 8.8 mi
7. Robbers Roost - 10.8 miles





Hey guys, regarding the El Campo backcountry reservation system, where is the link? Does it truly exist, because it is not advertised on the national Park website. Iíve noticed over the years that back country sites are more and more occupied with no one actually staying in them. thanks for your help, would love to learn more about this.


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Not sure what your campsite and mileage numbers are in reference to but the NPS has stopped using the permitting software and the link has been taken down.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Offline Al

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Re: Backcountry Permit Software
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2019, 04:19:27 PM »
They are using a computer program again but it's not El Campo or available on the internet.

 


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