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Favorite Rim campsite?

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Offline dirtymike

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Favorite Rim campsite?
« on: June 17, 2015, 07:09:09 PM »
Going to try out the Pinnacles to south rim then back on meadows trail. Of course the side tip to emory peak. Looks like will have 3 full days for the trip. I was thinking hitting the trail sat after getting permits squared away. Start fresh on pinnacles, emory peek. Then camping some where....... Just not sure what is a good spot. Looks like SE 1 and 2 are far from the other camps. Would like to use my hammock as i am just not meant to sleep on the ground. Viewing pics I see plenty of trees to hang from. What should I expect in early October? Full camp sites, or very few people with pick of the litter. I figured if I camped at SE 1 or 2 would spend sunday exploring, taking pics and enjoying the views for the day. So 2 nights at what ever campsite. Then sunday returning via laguna meadow. Or would I get bored with a whole day up on the rim? Hard to know how big, how much there is to explore and take in. I am no speed record breaker or feel the need to do it all. However I dont want to get bored and feel the desire to move and be stuck to a area I already explored all of. Maybe my time would best spent one night up on the rim and head on for another adventure for sunday monday tuesday. Any and all help, comments, thoughts are appreciated. This site is a great resource for planning. Dates are arriving late late oct 9th and leaving mid day on the 13th. Is it Octomber yet..... :dance:

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 09:09:11 PM »
There are some issues about using hammocks where you attach to the vegetation. See this thread: http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/hiking-the-mountains/chisossouth-rim-loop-hammock-camping/

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Offline dirtymike

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 09:50:52 PM »
well scratch that. I worry enough. I thought I had read that somewhere, but then read somewhere else it was ok......So another question is will a bed roll work? I dont really like being closed up in a tent. I read somewhere some of the nasty bugs like your body heat and come for ya at night. I spent many nights on a tarp with out issue in minus misquitoes and ant bites. Scorpians and those long worm with a million legs freak me out. Millipedes or centipedes. They look like they hurt worse than a fire ant.

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 10:54:10 AM »
I have camped many nights on various trails in Big Bend and have never once spent the night in a tent.  Never had any problems.

You might want to take an extra tarp or ground cloth to cover yourself up in the off chance that it rains.
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Offline dirtymike

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 07:35:36 PM »
I have camped many nights on various trails in Big Bend and have never once spent the night in a tent.  Never had any problems.

You might want to take an extra tarp or ground cloth to cover yourself up in the off chance that it rains.

I thought that was a little crazy. Go out there where there are no lights and lock your self into a tent where you cant see the nature around you. Only time i sleep in a tent is at the beach. Those crabs will enjoy playing with you all night. :)

Are any of the camps sites better than others for a view?

Is it too short of a hike to spread out over 3 days. Read a lot about people day hiking it. If I will run out of views I would like to move on to a off road back county camp, or maybe another trail.

One thing I noticed about this place. It is so much fun planning the trip. You people here are so awesome to share you knowledge about such a sacred and vast place. I went for a weekend trip. Fell in love. Came home and planned 2 more trips for the year. Even giving up 4 days in October. I am a huge bow hunter fan and Oct in TX for me means chasing white tail every moment away from work.

Thank you again for all the info this site and people have to offer! :great:

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 08:47:14 PM »
Your hike up Pinnacles with side trip to Emory Peak and then on to two nights at rim with exit on third day via Laguna Meadow Trail would keep most folks occupied. The Rim is enormous and there's lots to see below it and across into Mexico. Take some good glasses and maps so you can identify what you're looking at. Take a good camera and get some sunset and dawn photos. Get some Milky Way or moonlight photos -- BBNP has the darkest skies of any of the National Parks. Take a bird book so you can tell what that critter is. After doing Emory and hauling your stuff on out to the Rim, many would sleep late the next morning and get a leisurely start at exploring the Rim.

You won't be bored.

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 11:05:10 PM »
Arn't there some site designated SW???  Those are nice.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 05:30:23 AM »
If you are talking about starting Sat. afternoon after getting to the park I would try getting  the Toll Mtn. 1 and then leisurely climb Emory Peak and enjoy that and the views from TM1 and then the next day head on to the rim, getting water in Boot Canyon.  You will need to treat or filter any water you get there either from the spring or the pools.

On the rim the only site with a view is SW3 but NE4, SE2&3 and SW4 all have views close by.  SW4 also has the outhouse close by as does TM1.



You can get ideas in the trip reports indexes
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 07:12:09 AM »
I had to dig around the NPS Big Bend site, but found the 2007 Backcountry guide in PDF format.  Has descriptions and pics of all the Chisos campsites.

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/upload/Chisos-Mountains-Backcountry-Campsites-2007-final-draft-high-res.pdf

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 09:06:30 AM »
SE1 is a short stroll in your camp shoes with the morning coffee to Rim  :icon_smile:

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 09:42:38 PM »
Mule Ears is right: unless you can get started on your hike reasonably early in morning, getting to rim in one day after a trip up Emory Peak could well be too much, especially with a pack. You haven't told us how old, how fit, how experienced backpacking, how much pack weight, etc. We could advise better with that info.

If Toll Mtn. is taken, maybe one of the Boot Canyon sites would be good.

M.E. is also right to bring up the water question. Heaviest thing you will carry. Resupplying at Boot Spring or one of the pools up Boot Canyon from there would cut your load. There is the question of whether B.S. will be running then and/or the condition of water in the pools, if any. Check this site for reports on availability of water there before you go.

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2015, 12:54:42 AM »
Mule Ears is right: unless you can get started on your hike reasonably early in morning, getting to rim in one day after a trip up Emory Peak could well be too much, especially with a pack. You haven't told us how old, how fit, how experienced backpacking, how much pack weight, etc. We could advise better with that info.

If Toll Mtn. is taken, maybe one of the Boot Canyon sites would be good.

M.E. is also right to bring up the water question. Heaviest thing you will carry. Resupplying at Boot Spring or one of the pools up Boot Canyon from there would cut your load. There is the question of whether B.S. will be running then and/or the condition of water in the pools, if any. Check this site for reports on availability of water there before you go.

Geezer

Well I am an active about to be 40 year old. :) I am fat, but strong like bull. What I have going against me in knee injury while in the Marines. I dont cry much. I just keep on keepen on. I hunt public land as well as private land. 3 mile hike back to the camp. Pack all depends on how much water and crap I want to bring. I am an experienced woodsman. Spend more time sleeping in the woods than indoors typically. I have learned to move slow as to be sure where I place each foot and make sure it is stable before the next step. No not robotic slow..... I move slow due to the knee injury. Its not in very good shap at all and not really getting any better. I know my capabilities. I am more than capable of hiking rough terrain with a load. Hunting boat on public land by bow I have more than one time had to wear large hogs as a back pack and climb out of the gulley and hump it back to camp or the truck. Slow and steady is my speed.

Will be at the park friday night 1130 12am. Crash out and up with the sun. Get gear together at PJ waiting for it to open up. Get our permit and head out. Should be 10-11 am latest. That is where i get split in what I should do. Reading everyone doing it as a day hike makes me want to say push forward to get to a final camp to set up so I can enjoy a full day not carring a pack. I was eyeballing the SE1 and SE2 camp due to close proximty to the views. I like the idea of waking up getting some coffee going as I watch sun come up over the canyons and mountains. However I dont want to rush and know my speed compared to some others. Guess I would compare myself to a one ton diesel truck vs a nimble toyota tacoma. I dont get there in a hurry but I get there for sure. My buddy's call it "dirty speed". I dont do much in a hurry except pack to leave the house. I also enjoy the thought of having two different views each morning. I wish we could pack in and if a spot was free and we liked it we could set up camp. If not we could keep on moving to the next camp. going to bank my head on the rock is I pass a perfect (in my eyes) camp with no one in it that I have to pass up because I am commited to one down the trail. Then get to the other camp and there is a camp right next too it with some people. Glad to know which ones are close to the toilets. That was good info. I for sure do not want to be near one. Yall have been great. Given me lots of info and thinks to kick over.

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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2015, 10:10:55 AM »
A couple of points. If by crashing out you mean sleeping in your car, the NPS is very particular about that and you'd start your trip with a citation. All camping in the park is by permit only, which must be obtained in advance. You can camp in the Chisos Basin campground the first night and register and pay for your campsite via the iron ranger, then get your permit for the South Rim site(s) at the Basin visitor center in the morning. I'm not sure of the opening times, but that would be a lot of time driving to go back down to PJ and back.  When you get your permit, you will select which site(s) you will be camping in. If by some chance someone else is already there when you hike to it, that means either they are illegally in your spot or the NPS folks goofed and double-booked it. Moving on to the next open site means you'd be the one camping illegally. You can check the El Campo to see what's available before the office opens if you have a wifi capable device.

As far as proximity to the toilet is concerned, SW4 is not exactly right next to it. Distance is a little over 100 yards according to Google. It is a short stroll to fantastic views from the rim for both sunrise and sunset. Nighttime view from the rim is awesome as well, depending on presence of moon and stars.
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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2015, 10:37:03 AM »
I can sympathize with your knee situation. If you don't already have some, I recommend that you buy yourself some hiking poles.  Downhill from the Rim is steep and can be brutal on your knees without them.  You don't have to spend a fortune; you should be able to get a decent pair for about $60-$70.

I second Richard's advice that you camp at the Basin the night you arrive.  There will almost surely be an available space.  Just try to be as quiet as possible setting up (e.g., open the car doors just once and close them when you're all unloaded).  Since the Rim trail head is located in the Basin, you'll already be there and you can get a permit at the Ranger Station there (they open at 8:00 or 8:30).  No need to go all the way back to Panther Junction.
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Re: Favorite Rim campsite?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 08:42:44 PM »
Yes totally aware camping only in improved camps after hours. Might camp stillwell or stillhouse what ever its called. I dont want to be "that guy" coming in and trying to set up camp disturbing everyone. Or sleep in the camper of the truck on teh side of the road outside park. :) The ride in as the sun is coming up was so nice my first trip.

The hiking sticks are a life saver. Have been using them for a few years now. Absolutly love them. Makes me way more sure footed and takes a ton of stress off the knees. I dont know how i got along without them. Oh yea i was younger. :)

 


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