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Primitive Campsites

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Offline mule ears

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2016, 11:22:09 AM »
Also, the thoughts on carrying a firearm. Somehow, the remoteness makes me inclined to carry one, although common sense tells me it's probably 1000 times safer than my neighborhood, in which I travel frequently with no firearm.
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True that about relative safety and of course breibart news is hardly a reliable source of info.  While crossings are up a bit all across the border the Big Bend sector still has the least apprehensions of any sector from the Border Patrol itself
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2016, 11:54:23 AM »
Also, the thoughts on carrying a firearm. Somehow, the remoteness makes me inclined to carry one, although common sense tells me it's probably 1000 times safer than my neighborhood, in which I travel frequently with no firearm.
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True that about relative safety and of course breibart news is hardly a reliable source of info.  While crossings are up a bit all across the border the Big Bend sector still has the least apprehensions of any sector from the Border Patrol itself

I'm guessing that "The Big Bend Sector" does not exactly correspond to "Big Bend" as understood by most here on BBC.

I'm also guessing that there is no sure source of info about what takes place between, say, Lajitas and, say, La Linda.

The specific Lajitas/La Linda area is quite a different picture than from the general Del Rio/Presidio area. 

I'm still not convinced that the drug/people smuggling business inside the Lajitas/La Linda arc could be that good due to (i) the desolate nature of the countryside south of the Border there, and to (ii) transportation limitations south and north of the Border there. 

I have not hard evidence for my "convinced." I guess I'm just guessing and hoping.  Am I wrong?
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Offline jasonmerlo

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2016, 12:15:33 PM »
Cliffs on the murder?


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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2016, 12:20:53 PM »
Cliffs on the murder?
Camper was found dead of a gunshot wound. It was deemed murder, but the case remains unsolved. See the book "Death in Big Bend" for details.

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2016, 12:42:49 PM »
Also, the thoughts on carrying a firearm. Somehow, the remoteness makes me inclined to carry one, although common sense tells me it's probably 1000 times safer than my neighborhood, in which I travel frequently with no firearm.
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True that about relative safety and of course breibart news is hardly a reliable source of info.  While crossings are up a bit all across the border the Big Bend sector still has the least apprehensions of any sector from the Border Patrol itself

I'm guessing that "The Big Bend Sector" does not exactly correspond to "Big Bend" as understood by most here on BBC.

I'm also guessing that there is no sure source of info about what takes place between, say, Lajitas and, say, La Linda.

The specific Lajitas/La Linda area is quite a different picture than from the general Del Rio/Presidio area. 

I'm still not convinced that the drug/people smuggling business inside the Lajitas/La Linda arc could be that good due to (i) the desolate nature of the countryside south of the Border there, and to (ii) transportation limitations south and north of the Border there. 

I have not hard evidence for my "convinced." I guess I'm just guessing and hoping.  Am I wrong?

It goes a bit farther up river, past Presidio but not much farther down river than La Linda.  Sector Map
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2016, 02:31:53 PM »
Cliffs on the murder?

A few more details are here: http://libit.sulross.edu/archives/marfanews/sent94-04/1994-11-10.pdf  (Look on page 2)

Probably worth mentioning that his gun and wallet were missing, I've always wondered if he was shot with his own weapon.  I was in the park for most of the month of November 1994, traveling around by bicycle and doing day hikes. I was unaware when I rode up the Glenn Springs road the day after Mr Monroe was found, but did notice the increase in park rangers in the area.


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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2016, 02:50:03 PM »

Also, the thoughts on carrying a firearm. Somehow, the remoteness makes me inclined to carry one, although common sense tells me it's probably 1000 times safer than my neighborhood, in which I travel frequently with no firearm.
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True that about relative safety and of course breibart news is hardly a reliable source of info.  While crossings are up a bit all across the border the Big Bend sector still has the least apprehensions of any sector from the Border Patrol itself

Looking at the government site referenced, https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2016-Sep/BP%20Southwest%20Border%20Family%20Units%20and%20UAC%20Apps%20-%20August.pdf    Numbers increased from 165 in 2014, to 580 in 2015, and 959 in 2016 in the BB sector.  Now Brietbart is reporting just for the first two months of this fiscal year, along the entire border, there has been a 230% increase over last year.  http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/12/19/migrant-family-border-apprehensions-230-percent-period-last-year/

Not trying to say they are telling the truth all the time and I'm not trying to pick a fight, but it is a source for border news that gets ignored by the other main stream media outlets.  I'm going to guess this kind of stuff is not known by most people in the US.   This is going on right next door and we allow the exact same people to come across all day long, and live in our "sanctuary cities".   http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/29/graphic-video-mexican-cartel-border-preps-incinerate-victims-hacked-bodies-plays-soccer-head/
For 2 years the Fake News Media, Obama's FBI, CIA & DOJ, and Swamp dwelling Politicians COLLUDED, Illegally Spied,and LIED to America about POTUS in order to overturn an election

All the while demanding censorship and removal of opposition Conservative "hate speech" voices.  Globalists Hate Freedom

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2016, 03:45:54 PM »

Also, the thoughts on carrying a firearm. Somehow, the remoteness makes me inclined to carry one, although common sense tells me it's probably 1000 times safer than my neighborhood, in which I travel frequently with no firearm.
Sent from my iPhone using Big Bend Chat

True that about relative safety and of course breibart news is hardly a reliable source of info.  While crossings are up a bit all across the border the Big Bend sector still has the least apprehensions of any sector from the Border Patrol itself

Looking at the government site referenced, https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2016-Sep/BP%20Southwest%20Border%20Family%20Units%20and%20UAC%20Apps%20-%20August.pdf    Numbers increased from 165 in 2014, to 580 in 2015, and 959 in 2016 in the BB sector.  Now Brietbart is reporting just for the first two months of this fiscal year, along the entire border, there has been a 230% increase over last year.  http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/12/19/migrant-family-border-apprehensions-230-percent-period-last-year/

Not trying to say they are telling the truth all the time and I'm not trying to pick a fight, but it is a source for border news that gets ignored by the other main stream media outlets.  I'm going to guess this kind of stuff is not known by most people in the US.   This is going on right next door and we allow the exact same people to come across all day long, and live in our "sanctuary cities".   http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/29/graphic-video-mexican-cartel-border-preps-incinerate-victims-hacked-bodies-plays-soccer-head/
Speaking as Moderator, how about we forgo arguments about illegal alien traffic statistics unless it is directly related to a specific primitive campsite. Otherwise I'll have to split off a new topic and wait for it to get overheated.  :icon_rolleyes:

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2016, 04:01:37 PM »
Apologies
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2016, 06:44:41 PM »
I'm done. 
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2016, 07:34:38 PM »
As everyone know opinions are like elbows. Mine has always been to have and not need than need and not have. I've been Bending since 2002 and although I've never need mine, there have been a few time I was glad it was there. Twice with people that appeared from no where in my camp and one with a kitty that scared the crap out of me. With the kitty, If it went bad I doubt I could have done anything, nature always wins. The other two, once seen, the problem left.
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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2016, 09:35:12 PM »
We become comfortable in certain places that may be more dangerous.

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2016, 12:50:24 AM »
You are correct sir. I know when we are in the Bend, my guard comes down a bit. At times because it is so far removed from my norm and the dangers of the city aren't present we think.  We go to relax, tune out the world and recharge and have time to think and see the beauty around us. Im not saying danger is around every corner, but when Bending, we have a tendency to not think as clearly when it comes to safety. Having worked the area I can say it is much safer than any city I know of but danger is still there. From drug runners, illegals, drunks and a number of other sources.

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Re: Primitive Campsites
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2016, 12:52:35 AM »
But in closing, please let me say there is no other place I had rather be. There's a sweet spot on top of Hen egg where I go to see God every trip out.

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