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Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?

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Offline Red Moose

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Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« on: February 09, 2010, 06:10:07 PM »
Be arriving first week of March with two 4X4 pickups hauling 30 foot fifth wheels.  What (if any) backroads could take us for a few nights out?  Units are self-contained, need no shore power, water or dump facilities.  Any thoughts?

Thanks, Red Moose

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 07:55:53 PM »
Rver to RVer take the advice of the NPS on this issue.  There only about 4 sites to safely get an rv into and out of.  Mine was built for off road service in Oregon and is only 24 feet overall.  When I researched doing what you wish last year, I decided the PNS was correct about which sites can handle an rv.

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 10:52:34 PM »
Old Maverick Road is probably the only one ... and I'd advise driving it sans fifth wheel first, as its condition is never a certainty.
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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 11:10:13 PM »
even if you could get a 30 ft 5th wheel out on some of the back roads, I dont know of any place you can park it. also the back country in BIBE is a no generator zone. If you have never been to Big Bend there are a lot of "donts" that are perfectly ok for other parks, but not Big Bend

here is some info from the FAQ section on the NPS web site for Big Bend
http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/faq-6.htm#CP_JUMP_165608

Where can I camp with a motorhome or RV in the backcountry?
Although Big Bendís primitive roadside campsites are mostly inaccessible to large recreational vehicles, there are four sites which an RV could reach without much difficulty (remember, generator use is prohibited in the backcountry): Hannold Draw (1 site), Government Spring (1 site), and Croton Spring (2 sites).


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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 07:41:12 AM »
I second driving Old Maverick first. Last time I was on it it was washboard from just after leaving Santa Elena until just before hitting black top again.

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Offline Red Moose

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 12:43:09 PM »
Thanks for all the good advice.  We'll talk with the NPS and check out those routes mentioned, maybe do dry runs with just a truck.

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 08:02:46 PM »
Would the situation for trailers be any different at Big Bend Ranch SP... or is it even more primitive camping?

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SHANEA

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 09:23:58 PM »
Would the situation for trailers be any different at Big Bend Ranch SP... or is it even more primitive camping?

There are a vast number of spots you can get to at BBRSP and it is very primitive.  Not sure if generators are allowed or not.  If there is not a fire ban in place, then you can have contained ground fires.  http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/big_bend_ranch/campsites/

Black Gap WMA is also a good choice and is nearer to Big Bend for day trips.  Also cheaper than anyplace else, all you need is a $12 ltd use permit for each person - that's it.  No daily fees, etc.  Zero amenities.  Have to check the hunting schedule to see when it is open/closed.  Not sure you could get it all the way down to the river campsites or not.   http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/wma/find_a_wma/list/?id=2  This is the most desolate place there is and you will likely see no one else during your stay.  http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/wma/find_a_wma/list/?id=2&activity=camping http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/public/  Got to have the Ltd. Use Permit before you get there - can't just get them there - there is no one to sell you one!   :rolling:

There is a good RV camper spot at Stillwells  will full hook-up's and they do have a back country area.   Also store and gasoline there with showers.  Not far from the park entrance either.  http://stillwellstore.com/   Be sure and go and gander at the former majestic metropolis of La Linda.

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Re: Any backroads for 4X4 with 30 foot fifth wheel?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 09:15:30 PM »
There are a vast number of spots you can get to at BBRSP and it is very primitive.  Not sure if generators are allowed or not.

Don't know about the ranch. However, speaking of Big Bend, where generators are expressly disallowed at backcountry vehicle sites, it's never been made clear just exactly who is offended or disturbed if you are the only one there or others (typically a single additional site given the numerous other restrictions in force) are not bothered.

The only offense seems to be to the NPS's delicate sensibilities, their perception of knowing best (more that they alone are omniscient) on every issue, and their unchecked need to lay an oppressive mantle of control over everything that goes on whether there's any logical need to do so or not. The NPS never met a rule it didn't like (well, they aren't so happy about the concealed weapons thing, but people with more common sense prevailed on that one).
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