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Offline Al

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 09:46:01 PM »
The only way I can see anyone rolling a vehicle on one of Big Bend's back roads is by going too fast and running off the road in the wrong place.  Easily avoided by not going too fast and not running off the road.

  I agree completely.  Inattention or immaturity are the only excuses I can see for rolling your vehicle on Black Gap or any of the roads I drove.   That said, there are two or three places on Black Gap where you'd best pay attention to what you're doing and exactly where you are going.  If you don't pay attention or act like an idiot, there are a million places in the park to wreck your truck.

  The washout on Black Gap, for me, was a matter of moving by inches and getting out to check tire placement and to move a rock or two.  Not everyone would care to do the wash out.

  Still not home, but just barely out of Texas.

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Yup, or too much tequila.

Al

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Offline Tars Tarkas

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2010, 09:52:25 PM »

Yup, or too much tequila.


  Yeah, well, there is that too!

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Offline MilesOfTexas

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2010, 10:21:58 PM »
I will be taking my FJ on Black Gap road in late December.  Have you made any mods to your FJ?  Did you ever need to engage the rear lockers?

  No mods at all.  Just about exactly 10k on my 2010.  16 inch wheels with stock BFG Rugged Trail T/A tires.  No lifts.  (And I still had at least 2 to 4 inches of clearance at the wash out.)  Nothing ever touched a skid plate or anything else on the bottom.  I did take off my pintle hook that sticks way out.  I probably didn't have to do that.

  I don't know that I had to engage the locker but I did.  This was the first time I had something like an excuse to use it, so I did.  It definitely worked and helped the two times I used it.  I just hit the button to turn it on and hardly took my finger off the button until I turned it off a second later after just walking right up a little ledge.

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Sounds good, thanks for the info!  I haven't had the need to engage the lockers yet, but I might at some point just to make sure they work, haha.

Your comments about the wash are interesting.  Were you just moving smaller, sharp rocks out of the way, or were they rocks that concerned you for clearance?

Did you ever need to get out and check for clearance for the width of the FJ?
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Offline Tars Tarkas

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2010, 10:48:36 PM »

Your comments about the wash are interesting.  Were you just moving smaller, sharp rocks out of the way, or were they rocks that concerned you for clearance?

Did you ever need to get out and check for clearance for the width of the FJ?

  I was talking about moving rocks at the washout, though I did move one or two out of the road at other places because of clearance concerns.   At the washout, where folks have built up the rock ramp to make it up or down the big dropoff, I moved a few rocks to smooth out the ramp, to give my tires a place to go without dropping too drastically all at once.  I was raising the road rather than lowering the humps, if that makes sense.   Come to think of it though, I probably did turn a couple of rocks pointy side down too.

 The only place that side clearance was a concern (other than creosotebushes) was a big ol' rock on the left, coming from the south, just before the washout.  The road slopes drastically to the left there and it would be real easy to put a gouge down the side of your FJ with that thing.  I backed up and kicked some sand into the left rut to, again, raise the road some there, but it still took me about 3 or 4 tries before I felt good about getting past that.

  TT

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Offline MilesOfTexas

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2010, 11:00:26 PM »

Your comments about the wash are interesting.  Were you just moving smaller, sharp rocks out of the way, or were they rocks that concerned you for clearance?

Did you ever need to get out and check for clearance for the width of the FJ?

  I was talking about moving rocks at the washout, though I did move one or two out of the road at other places because of clearance concerns.   At the washout, where folks have built up the rock ramp to make it up or down the big dropoff, I moved a few rocks to smooth out the ramp, to give my tires a place to go without dropping too drastically all at once.  I was raising the road rather than lowering the humps, if that makes sense.   Come to think of it though, I probably did turn a couple of rocks pointy side down too.

 The only place that side clearance was a concern (other than creosotebushes) was a big ol' rock on the left, coming from the south, just before the washout.  The road slopes drastically to the left there and it would be real easy to put a gouge down the side of your FJ with that thing.  I backed up and kicked some sand into the left rut to, again, raise the road some there, but it still took me about 3 or 4 tries before I felt good about getting past that.

  TT

Thanks again, I really appreciate the information.  This will be my first trek down Black Gap, so I am not familiar with the with the rock ramp, but now I will be expecting it.  I'll be sure to bring my shovel!  :icon_biggrin:
"I have an excellent profession, but I don't enjoy it near as much as I do when I am in the heart of the wilderness, surrounded by marvelous creations, and efforting to capture what I see and feel so I may share it with others."

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Offline OldJeepr

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2010, 07:36:02 AM »
Agreed, slow and easy and paying attention will usually get you through in good shape.  There are a couple of spots on Black Gap that are a little off camber, and going too fast or not watching your line could get you in a bind.  Most of us instinctively "keep right" from years of highway driving, but that's not always the preferred line on backroads.  Another consideration is COG - center of gravity.  A lifted vehicle has a higher COG, and is more susceptible to rollover.  Add some extra weight on a top rack and the COG goes higher.
On another note, the BBRSP backroads are a little more challenging, but with great scenery.  If you venture on to the 4x4 roads, you WILL get pinstripes, but will get to see places and things that make that a small sacrifice.

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WayneR

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2010, 08:47:05 AM »
Here is the "rock bridge" on Black Gap.  This was back in 2007 but don't imagine it has changed a whole lot.
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Offline MilesOfTexas

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2010, 11:21:08 AM »
Here is the "rock bridge" on Black Gap.  This was back in 2007 but don't imagine it has changed a whole lot.

Thanks Wayne!  The rock bridge looks like the entrance to our new facility that is under construction, haha, so I see no issues of concern there.  :icon_biggrin:
"I have an excellent profession, but I don't enjoy it near as much as I do when I am in the heart of the wilderness, surrounded by marvelous creations, and efforting to capture what I see and feel so I may share it with others."

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Offline jim2

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2010, 01:45:55 PM »
found a you tube of a guy going up the drop off in black gap ,couldn't find the link code. get past the poor sense of direction, and it's a cool video. search for big bend freelander 2 vs hikers top gear style.

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« Last Edit: December 06, 2010, 04:01:51 PM by RichardM »

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Offline TexasAggieHiker

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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2010, 04:04:25 PM »
This it?


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Re: Back road conditions
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2010, 05:30:37 PM »
that's it . it gives the best view of the drop off i've seen. 

 


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