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Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee

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Offline TexasAggieHiker

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2010, 10:49:53 PM »
Yup, the most critical equipment on any vehicle is the nut that holds the steering wheel.
I like that!!  LOL

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2010, 10:13:04 AM »
Survival begins and ends between your ears.
Visiting BB since 1966, nothing like being lost and finding heaven.

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2010, 10:55:22 AM »
Amen to the nut that holds the steering wheel.

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 02:28:35 PM »
Do any of you guys air-down your tires when going off road?

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2010, 02:39:25 PM »
We do up on Cape Cod for the beaches.

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2010, 03:29:04 PM »
Do any of you guys air-down your tires when going off road?

No.  To the side, it is illegal to go off-road in Big Bend.

Al

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2010, 03:33:32 PM »
I meant off the "paved" road. It seems like airing down from say, 35 to 20 might help with help with the rock cuts and such not to mention the ride.

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2010, 03:51:19 PM »
I meant off the "paved" road. It seems like airing down from say, 35 to 20 might help with help with the rock cuts and such not to mention the ride.

No.  It really isn't necessary for the roads in BBNP because except for a few short stretches, they really aren't that bad.  If there were seriously bad roads with ledges to climb, etc. then it could be a good idea but that is not the case.

Al

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2010, 04:56:49 PM »
Air down just before you get stuck in loose sand or mud.   :icon_rolleyes:
Most rock cuts are caused by spinning the wheels, so just ease up on the skinny pedal -use momentum rather than acceleration.
Air pressure rating for tires is based on max load, so it's not necessarily one size fits all.  One easy way to check if the inflation is right for your vehicle/load - draw a chalk line across the tread, then drive a few miles on a paved road.  If the line wears evenly, you're in good shape.  If the center wears more - over inflated.  If the edges wear more - under inflated.  I found that with my old jeep the max load rating of the tires was way more than its normal weight, so dropping from the max 50psi to 30psi improved the ride, the handling and the tread wear.   

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2010, 06:18:07 PM »
I meant off the "paved" road. It seems like airing down from say, 35 to 20 might help with help with the rock cuts and such not to mention the ride.

No.  It really isn't necessary for the roads in BBNP because except for a few short stretches, they really aren't that bad.  If there were seriously bad roads with ledges to climb, etc. then it could be a good idea but that is not the case.

Al

Air down just before you get stuck in loose sand or mud.   :icon_rolleyes:
Most rock cuts are caused by spinning the wheels, so just ease up on the skinny pedal -use momentum rather than acceleration.
Air pressure rating for tires is based on max load, so it's not necessarily one size fits all.  One easy way to check if the inflation is right for your vehicle/load - draw a chalk line across the tread, then drive a few miles on a paved road.  If the line wears evenly, you're in good shape.  If the center wears more - over inflated.  If the edges wear more - under inflated.  I found that with my old jeep the max load rating of the tires was way more than its normal weight, so dropping from the max 50psi to 30psi improved the ride, the handling and the tread wear.

I agree with both of these answers.  In addition, if you are planning on being around sharp rocks on a regular basis, investing in some kevlar sidewalled tires might be worth their cost (Goodyear Wrangler Mtr With Kevlar).  I was going to get them for my FJ, but decided to wait until I get the 3" lift installed.  That way I am only spending the $260 per wheel once.
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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2010, 01:54:47 PM »
Just had to agree with all and express my joy of the best 4 hours my compadres and me spent one evening gettin to Mariscal Mine. Spent 3 hours on Black Gap crawlin.  Had to put my Dog in 4wd three times.  It was just after a huricane and we did not reaize the road would be that bad a wash.  Worse I've ever seen it.  But we love the mines at night.

Anyway, for you Rookies I would like to add-
1) Turn around if your not sure, unless of course you just can't.
2) Where the heck is my TOW rope, anybody seen my tow rope? Carry a tow rope! Most people don't mind helpin a fellow traveler, and in the out doors most of us are kindred spirits.
3) Spare fan belt, rocks don't seem to like um.
# Duck Tape!  We wrap it round our Nalgenes, its fixed  hikin boots, its held radiator hoses together, etc....

Sorry fellers, I is a smart aleck.
Comes from years of hollin Boy sprouts around, just ask them about duct tape.

Alexy

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2010, 06:21:39 PM »
This may be stretching the topic some, so if it needs to be moved, OK.
I am no longer a hiker, and really never was much of one, so to satisfy my passion for the backcountry of BIBE, I have taken to the backroads.  It seems that the majority view the backroads as a way to get somewhere instead of the pleasure of the drive itself, and in years gone by I have done the same.  Our first backroad experience was in a 1961 Falcon, down to the Hot Springs, Old Maverick to see Luna's Jacal and on to Santa Elena.  Then several years later, a long wheel base Dodge 3/4 ton pickup to Glenn Springs, Pine Canyon and the Old Ore Road to Ernst Tinaja, and on to Dagger Flat.  I picked up an old (1981) Jeep CJ7 a couple of years ago with the specific goal of driving those backroads just for the backroads and the things I could see.  What a pleasure that has been.  Doors off, windows off, just a top for shade, an ice chest in the back with cold water and some snacks, really 'roughing it'.  Lock the hubs, put it in 4Lo, and idle along.  Old Ore becomes a 6 hour adventure, watching lizards watching me on the side of the road, a roadrunner keeping pace in front, seeing a small cactus growing in a rock, smelling the desert, feeling the heat and the breeze, stopping whenever the vista is so amazing you must stop.  Having worked behind a team of mules in my youth, imagining what it would have been like for those teamsters hauling ore on that road in their time. 
I guess what I'm trying to convey here is, the backroads can be an adventure all their own if you take your time to enjoy them.  The trailhead you are trying to reach will still be there.

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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2011, 10:57:59 PM »
We finally got to make our trip in our 2wd Jeep in January.  Definitely glad we drove Old Ore Rd south to north....Hit bottom really really hard but our Jeep "Betsy" got us through although we did have to have differntial repaired about a month after...might be related.  Glenn Springs road was a great ride too.  DEFINITELY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ROAD FOR ANYTHING WITH LOWER CLEARANCE.  Only saw a couple of vehicles all day on either road and it was a weekend so be prepared if get stranded.  Saw lots of bear scat  and bones in Earnst Tinaja that looked like a cougar had a recent meal.
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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 10:56:37 AM »
Cool glad you had a safe trip.
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Re: Backroads in 4x2 Jeep Gr Cherokee
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2011, 01:46:39 PM »
We drove down Glenn Springs on April 18th and 19th down to the Pine Canyon Road, and down to Pine Canyon.  When a ranger came by to check our permit at PC4 he told us Glenn Springs and Pine Canyon Roads had been "resurfaced" recently...I guess they were smoothed down some.  They weren't too bad on our old Tahoe as far down as we went from the north side.
Ah Big Bend, we will soon return to reacquaint ourselves in our ritual of blood, exhaustion and dehydration. How can we resist the temptation to strip ourselves of the maladies of civilization?

 


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