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Big Bend National Park Q&A => The Backroads => Topic started by: RichardM on December 04, 2018, 02:20:36 PM

Title: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: RichardM on December 04, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: https://www.facebook.com/BigBendNPS/posts/2199359956748978
Notice: The Old Ore Road is impassable just south of Ernst Basin, 9.4 miles from the south entrance. The roadway is blocked by an overturned camper vehicle. You may access Ernst Tinaja and La Noria from the south entrance or Willow Tank and Ernst Basin from the north entrance, but vehicles can not drive through or around. The park is working with the owner to remove the vehicle, but this may take a few days. Please check at visitors centers for updates and current conditions on all backcountry roads.

Quote from: https://www.facebook.com/BigBendNPS/
It was a jeep-like truck with a camper on it, no trailer!

Really wish they had pics to go along with this...
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: marufo on December 04, 2018, 04:03:33 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4806/46181422931_f5dde073d9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: presidio on December 04, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
Clearly, the vehicle veered left, climbed the slope on an angle and toppled. The road itself does not appear to be a factor.

Little to no apparent forward motion; just rolled over much like the tricycle on Laugh-In.

Cause?

Gawking at the scenery? Texting? Inattention?

On a positive note, the owner definitely knows how to pack and secure cargo. Motorcycle remained firmly attached, as did the shovels.

The wet spot on the road is curious.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4806/46181422931_f5dde073d9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Txlj on December 04, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
That's a Unimog camper, not a jeep. If you look close, the rear wheels are below the axle centerline. The "pumkin" is offset, where the jeep is centered.

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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: CC on December 04, 2018, 07:14:28 PM

Cause?

The wet spot on the road is curious.


Stopped to pee and left the truck in gear. 


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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: presidio on December 04, 2018, 07:30:38 PM

Cause?

The wet spot on the road is curious.


Stopped to pee and left the truck in gear. 

Could be.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Al on December 04, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
That rig is way too top heavy to be doing OOR.  We followed a similar rig out to the north from Roy's Peak Vista, except it was F-350, It was a very impressive sight as it swayed from side to side.  On some climbs all the passengers would get out and walk they were so worried about a rollover.  They were really really happy when we hit Dagger Flats.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Slimkitty on December 04, 2018, 08:16:38 PM

Cause?

The wet spot on the road is curious.


Stopped to pee and left the truck in gear. 


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I really want this to be what happened.


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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Quatro on December 04, 2018, 08:45:11 PM

Cause?

The wet spot on the road is curious.


Stopped to pee and left the truck in gear. 


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I really want this to be what happened.


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If I had turned my truck over, both the road and my pants would probably be wet.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: RichardM on December 04, 2018, 09:54:42 PM
Ok, how about this scenario: Driver going a little too fast hits the rut on the left side of the road. Passenger spits out mouthful of beer out the window as vehicle starts to lean. Vehicle tips over as driver overcorrects.

Although I too hope the pee story is accurate. ;)
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: dprather on December 05, 2018, 12:32:18 AM
That's a Unimog camper, not a jeep. If you look close, the rear wheels are below the axle centerline. The "pumkin" is offset, where the jeep is centered.

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Wow - that is one EXPENSIVE accident
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Hang10er on December 05, 2018, 08:16:04 AM
Calendar nomination.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Jim on December 05, 2018, 08:34:58 AM
Clearly, the vehicle veered left, climbed the slope on an angle and toppled. The road itself does not appear to be a factor.

Little to no apparent forward motion; just rolled over much like the tricycle on Laugh-In.

Cause?

Gawking at the scenery? Texting? Inattention?

On a positive note, the owner definitely knows how to pack and secure cargo. Motorcycle remained firmly attached, as did the shovels.

The wet spot on the road is curious.

Air conditioner condensate drip?
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: alan in shreveport on December 05, 2018, 10:07:36 AM
Calendar nomination.

I'd vote for it
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: BlindWilly on December 05, 2018, 11:03:24 AM
It's a Unimog.  According to what I read on the Texas Overland page on FB, the guy that helped him out thinks he was paying more attention to the passenger side tires and the drivers side dipped into the rut/washout.  The driver may have hit the gas and turned the wheel, causing him to tip.
There was diesel leaking too.
Driver was OK, just shaken up.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Txlj on December 05, 2018, 12:12:01 PM
Rollover, leaking fuel, in a national park? Yea that's gonna cost ya.

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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Robert on December 05, 2018, 12:33:52 PM

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If I had turned my truck over, both the road and my pants would probably be wet.

If I took something like that down OOR my pants would have been wet a long time ago.

Very strange the the vehicle is so far to  the left in the roadbed, perhaps the view in the photo is misleading but hard to believe that would be intentional.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Flash on December 05, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
He had to have started fishtailing after bouncing out of that rut, over corrected, and then finding himself on the left shoulder, cut the wheels left with brakes on, and bam (or something like that)!  :willynilly:
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: GunderTacos on December 05, 2018, 03:37:43 PM
How long till the road is cleaned off?
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Al on December 05, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
The park service said it could be several days.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: presidio on December 05, 2018, 10:30:51 PM
Clearly, the vehicle veered left, climbed the slope on an angle and toppled. The road itself does not appear to be a factor.

Little to no apparent forward motion; just rolled over much like the tricycle on Laugh-In.

Cause?

Gawking at the scenery? Texting? Inattention?

On a positive note, the owner definitely knows how to pack and secure cargo. Motorcycle remained firmly attached, as did the shovels.

The wet spot on the road is curious.

Air conditioner condensate drip?

Maybe, but it looks like a fair amount of liquid and temps probably were moderate enough that a/c might not be on. I'd guess emptying a bladder. Now, did that had any proximate effect upon the next event?

Perhaps the involved party will enlighten us all.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: RichardM on December 06, 2018, 10:51:52 AM
Clearly, the vehicle veered left, climbed the slope on an angle and toppled. The road itself does not appear to be a factor.

Little to no apparent forward motion; just rolled over much like the tricycle on Laugh-In.

Cause?

Gawking at the scenery? Texting? Inattention?

On a positive note, the owner definitely knows how to pack and secure cargo. Motorcycle remained firmly attached, as did the shovels.

The wet spot on the road is curious.

Air conditioner condensate drip?

Maybe, but it looks like a fair amount of liquid and temps probably were moderate enough that a/c might not be on. I'd guess emptying a bladder. Now, did that had any proximate effect upon the next event?

Perhaps the involved party will enlighten us all.
Doubtful. Lots of speculation going on at https://www.facebook.com/BigBendNPS/posts/2199359956748978
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47319291_10215726781061022_4443172100395499520_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c7e7621fd2afa27b7e4dc4e04f08cd56&oe=5C6AE306)
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Buck on December 06, 2018, 10:59:31 AM
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The park is working with the owner to remove the vehicle, but this may take a few days

Another mission for the Space Crane https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/technology/insituexploration/edl/skycrane/.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: House Made of Dawn on December 06, 2018, 11:08:40 AM
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The park is working with the owner to remove the vehicle, but this may take a few days

Another mission for the Space Crane https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/technology/insituexploration/edl/skycrane/.

+1 

I'd rather have a Sky Crane than a Unimog any day.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: BlindWilly on December 06, 2018, 02:28:41 PM
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The park is working with the owner to remove the vehicle, but this may take a few days

Another mission for the Space Crane https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/technology/insituexploration/edl/skycrane/.

+1 

I'd rather have a Sky Crane than a Unimog any day.
I'm leaning toward an Earth Cruiser for retirement, myself.
https://earthcruiser.com/our-vehicles/earthcruiser-exp/
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: House Made of Dawn on December 06, 2018, 07:14:51 PM
Quote
The park is working with the owner to remove the vehicle, but this may take a few days

Another mission for the Space Crane https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/technology/insituexploration/edl/skycrane/.

+1 

I'd rather have a Sky Crane than a Unimog any day.
I'm leaning toward an Earth Cruiser for retirement, myself.
https://earthcruiser.com/our-vehicles/earthcruiser-exp/

Whoa!  Aussies rock.
Title: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Slimkitty on December 06, 2018, 10:15:49 PM
Clearly, the vehicle veered left, climbed the slope on an angle and toppled. The road itself does not appear to be a factor.

Little to no apparent forward motion; just rolled over much like the tricycle on Laugh-In.

Cause?

Gawking at the scenery? Texting? Inattention?

On a positive note, the owner definitely knows how to pack and secure cargo. Motorcycle remained firmly attached, as did the shovels.

The wet spot on the road is curious.

Air conditioner condensate drip?

Maybe, but it looks like a fair amount of liquid and temps probably were moderate enough that a/c might not be on. I'd guess emptying a bladder. Now, did that had any proximate effect upon the next event?

Perhaps the involved party will enlighten us all.
Doubtful. Lots of speculation going on at https://www.facebook.com/BigBendNPS/posts/2199359956748978
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47319291_10215726781061022_4443172100395499520_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c7e7621fd2afa27b7e4dc4e04f08cd56&oe=5C6AE306)
...if looks could kill

Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: elhombre on December 06, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
I think that's the look of a guy who smells the results of his $200,000 Unimog crapper that leaked it's contents all over the insides.      :vomit:

That's going to take one of those BIG RIG tow trucks with the crane on back to up right it.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: presidio on December 06, 2018, 11:21:09 PM
I'm leaning toward an Earth Cruiser for retirement, myself.
https://earthcruiser.com/our-vehicles/earthcruiser-exp/

Noooo.....you want to go first-class all the way:

https://earthroamer.com/
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Txlj on December 07, 2018, 12:11:59 AM
Agreed sir. American made, no need for the euro trash!

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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: BlindWilly on December 07, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
I'm leaning toward an Earth Cruiser for retirement, myself.
https://earthcruiser.com/our-vehicles/earthcruiser-exp/

Noooo.....you want to go first-class all the way:

https://earthroamer.com/
Although I like the earth cruiser and the options it has, the long wheelbase would tend to inhibit some of the places I'd like to take it... Like the sharp turns on Old Ore Road, lol
I kind of like eurotrash, even though Australia isn't "Euro".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Vun2LYnoY
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: marufo on December 07, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
More here: https://expeditionportal.com/guy-flips-unimog-in-big-bend-forcing-trail-closure
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There’s no official report of how the incident occurred, but from the story we’ve been forwarded the incident unfolded something like this:

The driver was heading down Old Ore Road around 2pm when he came upon a large drop off on the right side of the trail. Weary of slipping off the side of the shelf, he took the inside line. Shortly after his inside tires began to wash out into the ditch. At this point things happened fast, and the driver states he was a little hazy on exactly what occurred next, but it appears his foot slipped off the brake as the truck dropped off the edge, accelerating the vehicle up a rock on the embankment. This forced the Unimog over, trapping the driver in the cab.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: rocketman on December 07, 2018, 10:19:44 PM
Interesting there is no mention of approximate speed. I'll bet that has something to do with his inability to control it, crossing a fairly minor rut in a highly capable off-road monster. I've flopped an FJ40 on its side very gently, and speed played a great part even though it was under 5 mph.
Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: Txlj on December 07, 2018, 11:15:32 PM
I call it "euro" because of the Mercedes chassis and german origins, but then again, I drive a jeep made by the same parent company, Daimler. Dang, never connected the two till now.  But in all honesty, I love both of hose vehicles. Everytime I run into one, I have to stand around and look them over. Really neat vehicles.

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Title: Re: Old Ore Road temporary closure
Post by: BlindWilly on December 10, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
Yup, I wouldn't mind owning either, lol.
I'm still in an FJ and a tent cot.  No complaints here.