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OOR + 2WD TACO = ?

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Offline Flash

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OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« on: February 17, 2015, 05:54:57 PM »
I am thinking about driving Old Ore Road in the 2WD Tacoma in a couple weeks. I have done Old Maverick Road (easy), Dagger Flat Road (easy), and River Road East to Elephant Tusk roadside campsite (mostly easy, a few fun wash crossings and narrow spots). Is OOR much harder? Better done top to bottom? No difference?  :eusa_think:

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 06:08:50 PM »
I've done it both ways and It doesn't really matter. The only thing to consider is where you want to be at the end of the day. If you're headed to the PJ Basin area after driving it's best to go S to N and come out on the Dagger Flat Rd.

There are some really rocky places where slow is the way to go, but nothing hairy. Muskhog Spring is a great short hike that can be combined with the drive.
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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2015, 06:25:38 PM »
OOR with two wheel drive should be fine........if there are heavy rains all bets are off at a couple of the creek crossings.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2015, 07:35:55 PM »
Ditto the above -- we have driven it both in a Jeep and Land Rover, we never had to put the Jeep in 4WD on that road...  (the Land Rover is 4WD all the time, but didn't notice any difference between the two in terms of making it up or down OOR...)
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Now what about RRW?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 08:14:48 PM »
@ ALL: Thanks for the replies, guys, that helps a lot. Sounds fun. In Death in Big Bend, the book refers to Old OOR (OOOR), an eastern loop that goes around the McKinney Hills. I wonder if it is still drivable or if it has likely been closed off to vehicular traffic?

@ BK: Oh, yeah, thanks for the reminder about Muskhog Spring. Definitely will want to check it out.

Now what about River Road West? I think I read it has some pretty sandy sections. I have wanted to maybe hike up to the foot of the Puntas, but sure don't want to get stuck out there. Of course, I would bring lots of food and water, tire kit, etc.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 08:25:02 PM »
You'll be fine.
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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2015, 08:26:53 PM »
That Old OOR is still visible on some maps and in the satellite views but is not a part of the official roads of the park. So definitely not driveable from a legal perspective. Also, after many years of neglect I can't image it would be driveable in anything other than something with 4WD. There is so much erosion that occurs in those old roads that it wouldn't take too many years before a road becomes un-driveable.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2015, 08:30:43 PM »
The west end of River Road does have some more difficult stretches than the east end.  We've done it with a 2-wheel drive truck no problem, but a couple of short stretches have a bit of a pucker factor where you definitely want to keep forward momentum to be better safe than sorry.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2015, 08:07:07 AM »
Did OOR last month north to south.  The Hummer is always 4wd but I don't think it was really needed at any point. 

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 07:02:28 AM »
Not necessarily specific to OOR, but just in general, the backroads are fine for most all High Clearance vehicles.   The problems begin when it rains.  If you don't have 4wd (not all wheel drive),  in particular on River Road E and W,  you will very likely get into trouble.   Having combed over every backroad in the park several times over the years, I've seen plenty of SUVs and trucks without 4wd go through the backroads,  camp,  and the next morning it's a muddy mess to get out of and they are stuck.

Check the forecast and make sure there is no chance of significant rain to cause problems.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 04:07:38 PM »
If conditions along River Road get bad enough even 4 wheel drive vehicles will get stuck unless they have aggressive mud tires and limited slip axles.  4 wheel drive has its limits as does 2 wheel drive.

OOR on the other hand tends to be drivable even with 2 wheel drive  when wet as long as the intermittent stream crossings aren't flowing.  It doesn't have the same muddy soil that's along the river.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 05:59:56 PM »
If conditions along River Road get bad enough even 4 wheel drive vehicles will get stuck unless they have aggressive mud tires and limited slip axles.

This is very true.  But,  even in the worst of conditions along the RR, I have never had a problem getting out with my Jeep Wrangler and my 33 in all-terrains.

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Re: OOR + 2WD TACO = ?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 08:39:26 PM »
Those tires make a huge difference.  The best mudder I've ever driven is a Baja bug with over sized mud grips. Light weight with the engine over the rear drive wheels.  It would go where most 4-wheel drives dare not go.  In the rare event it got stuck, it was easy to push out. 

You just need to know the limits of your vehicle and respect them.

 


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