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Offline 01ACRViper

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« on: January 29, 2007, 11:47:39 PM »
the rangers know what they're talking about when they say 4x4 required :lol: i used to think they overrated everything so people would be safe, but i guess they were right this day :oops:

This past january, 7 friends and i took our annual Big Bend trip. on our second to last day, we decided to drive to see some stuff, as it was the 12th of january, a very rainy day. we were camped at La Clocha #2, and drove west on the river road, then up black gap to glenn springs. i've made the trips a few times, and it has never been a problem. my friend was in his 2wd 4 runner, so i was little more worried about him with all the mud i expected to find on river road. on my trip in December the day of all the snowfall in the mountains, i had to pull 2 groups out along river road east, so i was expecting more getting bogged down in the wonderful clay mud of Big Bend. River road east turned out to be no problem for either vehicle, so off we went to the Black Gap. those rocks are VERY slippery when wet, and even in 4 lo with the brakes applied, i slid right on down to the end without being able to do much about it :lol: we stopped to watch my friend come down next, and my friend Doug got some good video of him sliding down the Gap. But the 4 runner ran into some troubles. without the ability to steer, and maybe even if he could have steered, his rear passenger tire sliced its sidewall on a rock  :roll: great, we get to roll around in the mud and fix this thing. me and the 4runner's driver started to work, and told everyone to go chill by my jeep. working with a little bottle jack in very soft mud is never safe. it ended up falling off the jack twice. the third time we got everything back on very quickly, and continued on our way. another word of advice, always have a FULL SIZED spare. my grand cherokee came stock with a donut, with very little room for a full sized spare. if i had gotten a flat, it would have been a slow, very careful drive back to pavement. we didn't have many more problems, just a little sliding down muddy hills, slipping up washes, the usual fun. then we got to a really sloppy section. i never use 4 lo, unless traction is going to disappear, and i've never been stuck in any wheel drive in my jeep. well up this hill, the slope threw me on a bad line into a hole, and my forward progress was stopped. i knew the 4 runner was going to have issues. i backed up, found another line and made it, then advised the other driver where to go. when your tires get coated in this fun clay, theres not much hope of traction. we gave it a shot, and he got stuck. couldn't go forward or backwards. ZJ to the rescue! i won't bore you with the details now, because there is video evidence.

the larger video is 37 mb, the smaller is 23. pardon the college guy language :shock: i was in the car and not contributing

http://grbphotography.net/videos/oscar_BA.mpg
http://grbphotography.net/videos/jeep_pull.mpg :lol:

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 08:49:30 AM »
Well Viper, it sounds as though you really got your adrenaline going. I tried to download the videos, but either they are very heavy ar my compoutar can not play them...will give it a final try at home.

  Maybe you are ready for a good jeep trip over here in Mexico :?:
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Offline 01ACRViper

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 09:49:04 AM »
they take a while to load, but they will eventually. i know nothing about these videos, my friend made them all, so i'll have to ask him

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 09:53:27 AM »
I was able to download the first one, but my PC at work was missing a codec needed to run it.  I'm currently doing an experiment to see if it'll upload to photobucket.com and play there.  Stay tooned...

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2007, 10:00:11 AM »
I was able to play them, but they are really large considering they are each less than 60 seconds long.  The 37mb one is 54 seconds, the other is 32 seconds.  

They sure illustrate the benefit of have a 4x4 in those conditions!
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2007, 10:04:15 AM »
Here's the first one rendered in Flash video via Photobucket.com:


Took about 6-7 minutes to download, then another 10-12 to upload/convert.  I'm not sure how long I'll leave this out there, as it'll probably stress my bandwidth allocation.  In other words, if it comes back "file not found", you're too late. :)

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Offline Vince T

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 10:17:07 AM »
Fun to watch...the second on seems to get cut off...so no worries on the foul language, because as far as I can tell, there was none.

The both took a while to load...but you are right...they did eventually play for me.

Vince

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2007, 10:36:31 AM »
Here's the second one in Flash (which took forever to upload):


I'll come back and delete my posts if/when I ever get around to deleting the flash videos from my photobucket account.  Of course, Viper could always get his own account...  :)

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2007, 10:54:02 AM »
Quote from: "bdann"
I was able to play them, but they are really large considering they are each less than 60 seconds long.  The 37mb one is 54 seconds, the other is 32 seconds.  

They sure illustrate the benefit of have a 4x4 in those conditions!


They are 30 frames per second, which greatly increases the file size.  Most cameras record at 15 frames per second.  Also adding to the size is the fact that the videos are 720 x 480.  Great for tv viewing!
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 02:47:20 PM »
Different story now, just saw it on my home computer...it was fun. Nothing a good 4x4 Jeep Cherokee can't do.....ready for some good action, Viper :?: .


   Just be patient, will invite before we go :!:
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Offline 01ACRViper

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 04:50:11 PM »
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
Different story now, just saw it on my home computer...it was fun. Nothing a good 4x4 Jeep Cherokee can't do.....ready for some good action, Viper :?: .


   Just be patient, will invite before we go :!:


i can't convey over the internet how AMAZING that would be  8)

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2007, 05:55:33 PM »
Mud in BB? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2007, 07:20:43 AM »
yup, been around the bend enough times in the outback to see how quickly things change out there....get lazy, comfortable, etc., you're bound for trouble....I always have my full size spare, but, even more important, a good set of tire plugs, tools, and a 12v air compressor.

During me and Sarah's trip a couple of weeks ago, the 50k run shuttle van got stuck as well as a "high clearance truck."  Of course, it went in just fine, coming out in the rain and mud is another story.  I see folks all the time going out there thinking they got it covered (especially in the raining months) and they are just asking for trouble.  Glad to see you all made it out ok.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 07:47:09 AM »
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Mud in BB? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


And it's the thick, heavy, nasty stuff.  A lot of the surface dirt contains bentonite clay, which is used to make things like kitty litter and Sorb-All;  clumps up nicely.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 08:54:34 AM »
Watching that making me go purhcase a new tow strap.

 


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