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Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?

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Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« on: October 03, 2017, 01:17:21 PM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?
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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 02:35:44 PM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?

The wind controls.  Having canoed Boquillas Canyon several times, I have experienced times when the wind was so strong that all we could do is beach the canoes and wait for the wind to calm down.  It also depends on wind direction and if you are in a canyon or not. It can be even more problematic in a raft. 

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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 03:12:00 PM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?

The wind controls.  Having canoed Boquillas Canyon several times, I have experienced times when the wind was so strong that all we could do is beach the canoes and wait for the wind to calm down.  It also depends on wind direction and if you are in a canyon or not. It can be even more problematic in a raft.

YIKES! Not the answer I wanted, but definitely the answer I needed. Thanks, Al.
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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 03:44:18 PM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?

The wind controls.  Having canoed Boquillas Canyon several times, I have experienced times when the wind was so strong that all we could do is beach the canoes and wait for the wind to calm down.  It also depends on wind direction and if you are in a canyon or not. It can be even more problematic in a raft.

YIKES! Not the answer I wanted, but definitely the answer I needed. Thanks, Al.

The good news is the high winds don't typically last more than a day and weather forecasts are getting better at predicting high wind days.  Worst case build an extra day into the trip.  We always did Boquillas Canyon as a three or four day trip.  Basically two days on the river and the rest camping and exploring.  Although if you start early and hustle, Boquillas Canyon can be done in a day.

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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 03:51:44 PM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?

The wind controls.  Having canoed Boquillas Canyon several times, I have experienced times when the wind was so strong that all we could do is beach the canoes and wait for the wind to calm down.  It also depends on wind direction and if you are in a canyon or not. It can be even more problematic in a raft.

YIKES! Not the answer I wanted, but definitely the answer I needed. Thanks, Al.

The good news is the high winds don't typically last more than a day and weather forecasts are getting better at predicting high wind days.  Worst case build an extra day into the trip.  We always did Boquillas Canyon as a three or four day trip.  Basically two days on the river and the rest camping and exploring.  Although if you start early and hustle, Boquillas Canyon can be done in a day.

Put in at RGV and takeout at La Linda, I assume?  And where do you usually do your camping/exploring within the canyon, Al?
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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 09:39:24 PM »
HMOD, this is a good overview of paddling Boquillas, http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/riogrande7.html
Make sure to check out the slideshow.

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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2017, 07:34:47 AM »
Is anyone aware of trip reports by
Boquillas Canyon floaters that report on some of the side canyons such as Cow Canyon, or on other day hikes?
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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2017, 09:21:06 AM »
A question for anyone who has floated the river within the park: do you have any feedback on the relative strengths of downstream currents vs. upstream winds at various points? Is the net totally unpredictable, or are some parts of the river always better/worse than others? Granted, type of watercraft makes a difference, but are some parts of the river slower or windier than others?

The wind controls.  Having canoed Boquillas Canyon several times, I have experienced times when the wind was so strong that all we could do is beach the canoes and wait for the wind to calm down.  It also depends on wind direction and if you are in a canyon or not. It can be even more problematic in a raft.

YIKES! Not the answer I wanted, but definitely the answer I needed. Thanks, Al.

The good news is the high winds don't typically last more than a day and weather forecasts are getting better at predicting high wind days.  Worst case build an extra day into the trip.  We always did Boquillas Canyon as a three or four day trip.  Basically two days on the river and the rest camping and exploring.  Although if you start early and hustle, Boquillas Canyon can be done in a day.

Put in at RGV and takeout at La Linda, I assume?  And where do you usually do your camping/exploring within the canyon, Al?

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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2017, 10:44:25 AM »
Is anyone aware of trip reports by
Boquillas Canyon floaters that report on some of the side canyons such as Cow Canyon, or on other day hikes?

Shorty, I can't put my finger on them right now, but there have been at least two in the last year or so. One from Seththesailor in which he packrafted into Marufo Vega from the river, and another from Homer Wilson in which he canyoneered a remote canyon and then packrafted back to RGV.  As far as I know, no one other than Mule Ears, Robert, and Mitch have been in Cow Canyon or Arroyo Venado in a long, long, long time.
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Re: Current vs. Wind on the Rio Grande?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2017, 02:04:00 PM »
HMOD, this is a good overview of paddling Boquillas, http://southwestpaddler.com/docs/riogrande7.html
Make sure to check out the slideshow.

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