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Quote from: Keepa on July 28, 2018, 01:09:36 PMNuts! The margin for error in these conditions is nearly zero. A sprained ankle could have led to his death.He accomplished it, but it was unwise.A lot of folks have done unwise things, many of which could (and some did) lead to disaster. But, in many cases succeeded in their quests such as they were.a) any of the 15th16th century mariners who explored any of the oceansb) any of the explorers (or invaders/conquerors as seen through the lens of current perspectives) who explored the Americasc) Lewis & Clark expeditiond) any of the pioneers and gold rush folks who undertook arduous journeys with scant knowledge, skills and provisions (and no one to tell them if Boot Spring had water, for example)e) the pioneers of aviationf) mountain men trekking alone across the American westg) spaceflight (even today)The point is the margin for error was not a factor in any of the above (save the space activities) when deciding to do something, even though today everyone believes it to be a critical factor. Again, except for space, all of the above was undertaken with vastly imperfect knowledge, no support or rescue other than what they could provide for themselves, no phones, gps units and, in many of the above, without maps/navigation equipment of any kind (or only rudimentary navigation ability and seriously imperfect maps).So again, through the lens of a technical/electronic/fully explored world, this guy did a risky thing. But did he really? For those who want to be told and assured of everything ahead of time, and need trail guides, etc. for success, I guess he did.But, I say no. After all, he was in the arms of the NPS, who knew who he was, what he was going to do and a permitted trip with known itinerary. Sure, he may have gotten hurt or worse and the NPS would eventually have jumped into action (whether in time or not), so he most certainly was not on his own (any more than HMoD on his recent epic river/land solo journey). The danger in the desert (and especially in the summer) is real, but also real is the fact that the journey was a far cry from the dangers of the events listed above. In actuality, had he chosen to do this trip in a place not crushed with NPS overregulation, no one would even have known he was out there. THAT perhaps would have been a far more dangerous slog (certainly deemed so by many).In order to grow in skills, knowledge or competence, you have to push boundaries. Those that cannot function without trail guides, facilities and (false) assurances of safety/success will never know their limits and never will discover anything on their own.
Nuts! The margin for error in these conditions is nearly zero. A sprained ankle could have led to his death.He accomplished it, but it was unwise.
Just my opinion but he couldn't have posted a hike like that on a more appropriate site. Not a fan of what goes on there.
He was lucky it rained. That probably saved him a couple of liters of water.
A sprained ankle could have led to his death
He says so himself, his training was not adequate for the terrain at Big Bend.
Walking with a day pack around the hills near San Antonio does not equate to the elevation and conditions on the OML.
I did chuckle when the poster said hiking Hill Country State Natural Area prepared him for the OML.
He said he had a plan B and C (although not sure what that was)
I respect the Reddit poster's accomplishment, but sort of in the same way I respect Keith Richards every time I see another interview with him. Amazing, but kids: don't do that!
I counted at least a half a dozen things he said he did or didn't do that made me wonder about his level of experience.
As with all of the internet, folks can get carried away especially when the subject not actually being part of the discussion. I am also member of reddit, you have to admit, it can get snarky over there too.
Your preparation was as good as you could have done and the fact that you got by the rangers was equally impressive.
I can't remember all of my questions and did not put together that you were doing your training hikes back to back but they were day hikes correct?
The big thing that I would have tried to do was to get there early enough the day before to get my permit in the afternoon so I could hit the trail at first light.
What was the big trip you were getting ready for and what are you planning for your next Big Bend hike?
I think it's only fair to introduce yourself.
... another trip report by HomerWilson in which he and a couple of friends did it in August this year as an epic day-hike!!!!
I'm curious about your water load and the thinking behind it. ... Boot canyon has always had water, and if didn't I'd go over to Cattail Canyon near the Laguna Meadows campsites. ....Upper Juniper Spring, Dodson Spring, Adler Spring and Fresno drainage always have water, too. ... am not sure what the water sources would be like during that time of year. I can't remember the details of your trip: did you find water in any of those (or other additional) natural sources along the way?
Quote from: House Made of Dawn on January 07, 2019, 12:12:10 PM... another trip report by HomerWilson in which he and a couple of friends did it in August this year as an epic day-hike!!!! Yeah, that's ultrarunner territory - not my thing... All credit to the fitness that takes, I'm not at that level.
Next for Big Bend I'm planning to do OML again with 2 friends in Feb, and I might have some time off this month (January) so I was here researching other areas. Right now I'm looking maybe at something in Mesa de Anquila because I want to practice some off-trail skills.
Quote from: House Made of Dawn on January 07, 2019, 12:12:10 PMI'm curious about your water load and the thinking behind it. ... Boot canyon has always had water, and if didn't I'd go over to Cattail Canyon near the Laguna Meadows campsites. ....Upper Juniper Spring, Dodson Spring, Adler Spring and Fresno drainage always have water, too. ... am not sure what the water sources would be like during that time of year. I can't remember the details of your trip: did you find water in any of those (or other additional) natural sources along the way?Mainly my choice to carry so much water was based on uncertainty. There weren't any water reports on BBC less than 4mo old, and I wasn't planning to get any info from the rangers. I did read up on water sources here on BBC, but my takeaway from that research was that Fresno was "likely" to have water, and other sources "may" have water. Since I departed on this trip at the last minute, I just just grabbed a buttload of water and headed out. I didn't look for water anywhere other than Fresno. When I go back in Feb (hopefully) I will definitely carry much less and plan to use sources that you and others have mentioned.
QuoteJust my opinion but he couldn't have posted a hike like that on a more appropriate site. Not a fan of what goes on there.REALLY curious what this means, lol. Are you not a fan of people lightening their pack? Supporting each other to achieve bigger and better things? Maybe you are not a fan of HYOH? I’m also a paid member at BPL, am I good enough for you now - or do you not like “them” for some reason either?
The first time I have ever seen a report from a July trip. He started with 14 liters of water.
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