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Establishing a speed record

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Offline j.stone

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Establishing a speed record
« on: October 04, 2015, 05:19:08 PM »
Greetings Benders,
I am wondering what is considered to be the fastest completion of the OML.  Here is a report of some guys who did it 18hrs.  Are there any that are faster?
http://www.summitpost.org/outer-mountain-loop-big-bend-national-park/847909


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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2015, 08:13:34 PM »
That is the FKT that I have seen.  He has it at 33 miles.  The NPS has is at just over 30 miles.  While I understand the concept of FKT's, especially on longer distance trails, it doesn't make much sense to me on  any trail much less the OML.  While some people refer to backpacking as a sport (and doing it in one day, this would not qualify as backpacking), to me it is not a sport, but an enjoyable pastime not measured in speed but quality of experience.
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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 10:15:06 PM »
Zero interest in speed. If anything, I'd rather do it the slowest.

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Offline Jalco

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2015, 10:15:56 PM »
Zero interest in speed. If anything, I'd rather do it the slowest.

Ditto

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Offline j.stone

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 07:39:42 AM »
Friendly Advice From Expert Benders indeed.

I am surprised by the comfort and quickness you have all shown to judge us and our desire to enjoy Big Bend.  The wilderness, specifically a national park, is about freedom and open access to nature.

The WildWestGuy, you don't know me.  I did not post to this forum to brag and I am certainly not an idiot.  Your civility is still expected.

Mule ears: we are approaching the OMLl from a trail running perspective, not as backpackers. An enjoyable pastime is determined by each individual.  If it means something, I have back backed this trial following the suggested NPS route.  I am really excited to get back on the trail and see what our team can achieve. 

Casa Grande and Owl: I asked if anyone knew of a faster time than 18hrs. I didn't ask if you wanted to come.


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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 08:24:50 AM »
Sorry man but you're looking in the wrong place for trail running records since most here consider such haste a near-sacrilegious waste of our magical park.
You could probably do the OML even faster on a mountain bike...

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 09:59:23 AM »
Mule ears: we are approaching the OMLl from a trail running perspective, not as backpackers. An enjoyable pastime is determined by each individual.  If it means something, I have back backed this trial following the suggested NPS route.  I am really excited to get back on the trail and see what our team can achieve. 


j.stone I knew that you would get the responses you did, nothing we can do about that.  Like I said, I personally don't get the FKT thing and yes I know that you are talking about trail running, something else I don't do.  We all approach the outdoors differently, good that we can all enjoy it in our own ways.  I always think about trail running as more a front country pursuit.  Just another sign of how a once very remote and undeveloped place is becoming less so all the time.  Fortunately I spend most of my time off trail where I will not be surprised by some folks jogging by.

Good to know that you have done the route as a backpacker, that should help in your attempt.  Seems to me walking at 3 mph should get you down to 10 plus hours.
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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 10:53:00 AM »
When is your intended start date?
Not all those who wander are lost.
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Offline Talusman

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 11:00:03 AM »
Always interesting responses on here. You never know. I can enjoy both ways. I agree that the slowest possible is the most relaxing thing to do. I would rather have the extra time in a place that I really enjoy. No doubt about it. Yet, even Lance and I have been talking about doing the OML in one day. Head out with lamps about 3-4 AM and finish up at the lodge for a late dinner and beer. Just for fun, which is an interpersonal experience even though most of us share a lot of common ground on what we love about Big Bend. I have made as many trips to the Bend in my 54 years as anyone I know. Mostly because of my location (close). I also have a busy life and have made many trips for just one day. To see and do as much as I want to do, these one day trips may require 7 hours of driving, leaving early and getting home late, but they are always wonderful. When I was 18 to 26 (before marriage) I went 20-30 days a year. Life gets busy and opportunity slows down. Sometimes a quickie is better than nothing!

Yes I agree the slower is better almost all of the time. Sometimes its just fun to go fast and see what we can do. Hey Lance, I think Mule ears set the pace for us one day at 3 MPH! (I'd prefer to go slower though and do 2.5, enjoy the view!)
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Offline Lance

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 01:20:19 PM »
Don't be discouraged by the posts above.  Most people don't get the FKT thing.
However, I think you did come to the right place to get info.  I can help you with logistics if you need it.
Sent you a PM with my contact info.

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Offline fartymarty

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 01:33:49 PM »
I personally don't know of any record times or where to find them if they exist. I've never been drawn to the OML personally. Some will say I don't know what I'm missing. Maybe so, but I've yet to see any photos of anything worth hiking it for. Now to be clear, parts of it are very interesting but whenever I hear OML I always think of the desert section between Juniper Canyon trail head and Homer Wilson. It always sounded like a long hot shade-less up and down and up and down desert hike borefest. So where as some see no reason to run it, I see no reason to hike it at all. In fact running it (although of no interest to me) seems more sensible than walking it, at least it's a challenge. I suppose there are some that while hiking it would be annoyed with runners going by, too bad, the runners will be soon gone and it is their park too.
There are those that hike for hiking's sake, I'm more of a pay off at the end of the hike kinda person. I'm not saying that I don't like just hiking through the desert, but I can just pull to the side of the road and do that in several places in the park.  What am I saying?..basically saying what we've all heard before..Different strokes for different folks.

Here is some previous discussion about speed on the OML from 3 years ago that you might not have seen: http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/big-bend-national-park-outer-mountain-loop/oml-in-a-day/60/

j.stone, greetings to you as well, have fun, but be careful out there.
If you do it in less time than 18 hours I'll salute you.  :cool-thumb: (but I'd probably salute you if you did it in less than a day as well, so don't let my accolades swell your head  ;) )
 Once someone starts to keep records, I'd like to find out which is faster, Clockwise or counter clockwise.  :) That has been my only real interest in the OML, the mental exercise of, if I were forced to do it, which direction would I go. I pick CCW, but I'll never find out first hand if that is a good choice.
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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 08:31:40 PM »
Casa Grande and Owl: I asked if anyone knew of a faster time than 18hrs. I didn't ask if you wanted to come.

Sorry if you took offense to my phlegmatic response to your query.

Some Benders like to nurture their bodies, some their psyche, and others their ego.  Personally, I like to nurture my spirit more than all the others.

To each his own.  Here's to your pursuit.



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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 09:03:20 PM »
Wow.  Didn't take this thread long to go south.  I enjoyed following the 14ers FKT threads as well as the Nolan's attempts this summer and would welcome following an OML FKT attempt.  In my opinion, this is the right place for a thread about all things BIBE including FKTs.  I hate it that someone had to go to SP to find out about BIBE.  14ers.com had a record number of followers during those attempts I think.   I'd love to follow a live tracking. 

As to SAR, I haven't  heard of any SAR needed on the Colorado FKT attempts although I get really nervous when they speed through the Elks.  I wouldn't imagine there are any NPS rules against doing a thru day hike.  But if you intend to cache water anywhere other than Homer Wilson and Juniper Canyon (where there are bear boxes), park rules require even water be stored in a bear cannister. 
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Offline tusker

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 12:58:01 AM »
The link in J. Stone's original post leads to a great trip report about the 18-hour hike.  It sounds like the guy who did it is a classic Bender who has been to BIBE dozens of times and climbed Pico Cerdo as well.  He gets it.

I can not imagine why anyone would want to move so fast as many of you do, but you have my best wishes and I want to hear the great stories.  Okiehiker and steelfrog come to mind.

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 11:23:36 AM »
I spend a lot of time out in Big Bend, and the vast majority of the time, I'm hiking and camping.  However, I'm also an ultra runner, so Big Bend (and GUMO) offers a great opportunity to get in some trail running that cannot be duplicated in most of the rest of Texas.  I've never run the OML, but it'll probably be part of my training when I finally get in to WS100.  30-33 miles in not THAT long in the ultra world.

As for FKT, most ultra runners could go out at a very easy pace and destroy 18 hours without even trying.  You put a professional ultra runner on that loop and they'd destroy even the fastest time I could throw down.

I know most people don't understand how I could possibly enjoy some of the stuff I run b/c I'm moving "too fast," but I assure you, there are many ways to enjoy trails/nature/parks/etc.  I've hiked the OML and will do so again, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed on a run as well.

 


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