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Establishing a speed record

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Offline Casa Grande

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2015, 01:20:58 PM »
I've actually grown more intrigued by this post three more a read.

I guess I can see why this would be of interest to a minute subset of folks.



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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2015, 03:57:37 PM »
I'm thinkin' j.stone is not coming back to play though.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 05:46:20 PM »
I'm thinkin' j.stone is not coming back to play though.
Oh well. Sometimes it gets a little dirty in the sandbox. 

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Offline AggieOO

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2015, 09:44:24 AM »
I'll probably be running OML in dec.  I'd be more than happy to come back and write up a report.

wife and I will also probably hiking it in November as well.

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Offline j.stone

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2015, 07:45:45 PM »
Greetings Friends,
Don't worry I'm still here.  Despite my quickness to chastise the trolls, I'm a punk-ass myself and not as offended as I seemed.  Anyhow, we are looking at a thanksgiving attempt.  the plan is to keep the pace fun, but serious.  Our goal is just to establish a time, not to make this an "A" effort for us.  I will certainly keep you posted and I will  post a trip report to the site when we are done. for those interested I keep a running blog at http://run-n-learn.tumblr.com/.  the latest post is a race report of a 88k ultra-trail with 20,000ft of elevation gain in the Basque region of Spain. 

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2015, 09:41:10 PM »
interesting link.  Thanks for sharing

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2016, 10:11:17 AM »
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but figured it was easier than trying to reference everything here.  Looks like the OP did end up running the OML last year with a friend:

http://fastestknowntime.proboards.com/thread/1194/outer-mountain-loop-tx

his strava data/confirmation is in the above link.

I'm fairly sure I'm going to try and break this record on 12/18 or 12/19.  I'm driving out on the 17th and plan to cache some water at Homer Wilson.  It'll take some time to refill, but I'll more than save that time by running lighter.  The plan would be to leave from the Basin early on the 18th.  I've previously hiked the OML solo, so I know what I'm getting into.  Also, if you read the previous posts, I'm a pretty experienced ultra runner.  I'm also very experienced in the park...this will be trip 20 or so.  I lost count.

I did an 18 mile scouting run a couple weeks ago from the basin campground down to almost the Juniper/Dodson junction.  The trails are pretty overgrown, which made for much slower going due to not being able to see footing.  Thoughts on some of that grass "receding" by the 18th?  I fully expect my legs to be shredded and bloody (they were a couple weeks ago).

Planning on going clockwise so if I'm feeling crappy, I can bail at HW.  The distance and terrain doesn't worry me at all, but we all know things don't always go as planned.

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2016, 10:19:31 AM »
Good luck Aggie00, I'll be rooting for you!! 7hrs 58 mins seems like a fast time to beat. I'm impressed, but not surprised someone has done it that quickly. Now I want to see someone do 2 OMLs back-to-back for a speed record. :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:

How will you keep track of your progress? Can we follow you online with a DeLorme device or something similar?

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2016, 10:38:42 AM »
Looks like the time to beat is about 8:10, as the OP's GPS died a mile before the finish.  I was moving pretty slow/easy on my 18 mile scouting run a couple weeks ago, and held a pace that still would have brought me in under 8:10, and that included stopping for a bear and stopping to help with an injured hiker.  I feel pretty confident, but again, things don't always go as planned...and there's a difference between running up Juniper canyon at mile 9 and running up Blue Creek at mile 20ish...things could fall apart.  Good news is, my allergies have cleared, so I might actually be able to breathe this time!

I'll be running with a GPS watch, which I'll have to charge on the go, b/c my battery sucks on it.  As a backup, I'll also be carrying my GPS bike computer (its tiny), which has an 8 hour battery.  And I'll likely wear a second "standard" watch just to keep a stopwatch going in case both GPS devices die on me.  The bike computer allows me to sync to my phone for live tracking, but unfortunately, I won't have cell service to make that work.  Trying to get a friend's SPOT tracker, but he may be using it elsewhere that weekend.

I'll be staying in the park until the 21st, so trying to figure out what else i'm going to do.  I'd planned on going up Casa Grande again, but not sure they'll re-open the trails by then.

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2016, 10:49:41 AM »
Looks like the time to beat is about 8:10, as the OP's GPS died a mile before the finish.  I was moving pretty slow/easy on my 18 mile scouting run a couple weeks ago, and held a pace that still would have brought me in under 8:10, and that included stopping for a bear and stopping to help with an injured hiker.  I feel pretty confident, but again, things don't always go as planned...and there's a difference between running up Juniper canyon at mile 9 and running up Blue Creek at mile 20ish...things could fall apart.  Good news is, my allergies have cleared, so I might actually be able to breathe this time!

I'll be running with a GPS watch, which I'll have to charge on the go, b/c my battery sucks on it.  As a backup, I'll also be carrying my GPS bike computer (its tiny), which has an 8 hour battery.  And I'll likely wear a second "standard" watch just to keep a stopwatch going in case both GPS devices die on me.  The bike computer allows me to sync to my phone for live tracking, but unfortunately, I won't have cell service to make that work.  Trying to get a friend's SPOT tracker, but he may be using it elsewhere that weekend.

I'll be staying in the park until the 21st, so trying to figure out what else i'm going to do.  I'd planned on going up Casa Grande again, but not sure they'll re-open the trails by then.

What type of phone do you have?  iphone does not require cell service to use the GPS.  In fact you can put it in airplane mode and the GPS still works.  Cyclemeter and Gaia GPS apps work fine in airplane mode and drain the battery very slowly.  In 8 hours you'd probably only use 20-25% of your battery with one of these apps and in airplane mode.

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2016, 10:59:47 AM »
Good luck, let us know how it goes.  Done in a day is one way to deal with the bear closures!   :evil:
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2016, 11:01:54 AM »
Truth be told, even slow-paced old backpackers are considered to be a bubble or two off by most of the civilized world. 

Only small increments of insanity separate "normal" BBC backpackers from "abnormal" trailrunners.

Best of luck.

If you see me on the trail, honk so I'll know to move over.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Offline seththesailor

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2016, 11:10:13 AM »
Interesting topic that I have considered several times.  I ran it last February on a whim (meaning I woke up and thought, I'm going to run the OML today), and have since wondered if there was an established FKT.  I am not a real runner, but sub 8 hours struck me as a very attainable goal and I have thought about making a "serious" attempt at a PR.  I think that could be accomplished power hiking the ups and jogging the downs and flats. 

FWIW, I think the OML makes for a really enjoyable trail run (even better than backpacking it IMO), since you can move so fast and not have to carry much water.  The scenery is also varied and mostly runnable.  Although not a traditional OML, another option would be to go counterclockwise starting @ homer Wilson.  This allows you to get across the Dodson early in the morning and to stop in the basin for lunch/bail out.

Have fun!  I may have to start planning my own attempt.

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Offline AggieOO

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2016, 11:29:33 AM »


FWIW, I think the OML makes for a really enjoyable trail run (even better than backpacking it IMO), since you can move so fast and not have to carry much water.  The scenery is also varied and mostly runnable.  Although not a traditional OML, another option would be to go counterclockwise starting @ homer Wilson.  This allows you to get across the Dodson early in the morning and to stop in the basin for lunch/bail out.


I contemplated starting at homer wilson and going clockwise so that i'd get both big climbs on "fresh legs," but decided against it since it would only give me a bailout point at the basin, which would be too early in the run.  Thought about the counterclockwise option as well, but would rather have shorter/steeper climbs and longer runnable descents on Juniper and Laguna, rather than long climbs up and much less runnable descents.

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Re: Establishing a speed record
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2016, 11:31:06 AM »
Looks like the time to beat is about 8:10, as the OP's GPS died a mile before the finish.  I was moving pretty slow/easy on my 18 mile scouting run a couple weeks ago, and held a pace that still would have brought me in under 8:10, and that included stopping for a bear and stopping to help with an injured hiker.  I feel pretty confident, but again, things don't always go as planned...and there's a difference between running up Juniper canyon at mile 9 and running up Blue Creek at mile 20ish...things could fall apart.  Good news is, my allergies have cleared, so I might actually be able to breathe this time!

I'll be running with a GPS watch, which I'll have to charge on the go, b/c my battery sucks on it.  As a backup, I'll also be carrying my GPS bike computer (its tiny), which has an 8 hour battery.  And I'll likely wear a second "standard" watch just to keep a stopwatch going in case both GPS devices die on me.  The bike computer allows me to sync to my phone for live tracking, but unfortunately, I won't have cell service to make that work.  Trying to get a friend's SPOT tracker, but he may be using it elsewhere that weekend.

I'll be staying in the park until the 21st, so trying to figure out what else i'm going to do.  I'd planned on going up Casa Grande again, but not sure they'll re-open the trails by then.

What type of phone do you have?  iphone does not require cell service to use the GPS.  In fact you can put it in airplane mode and the GPS still works.  Cyclemeter and Gaia GPS apps work fine in airplane mode and drain the battery very slowly.  In 8 hours you'd probably only use 20-25% of your battery with one of these apps and in airplane mode.

The problem is, the live tracking on the cycling computer requires the phone to send data back to garmin, which is why i'd need a cell signal.  i'll do more research, but i'm almost positive that it requires data to be sent back, not just the GPS active.

 


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