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oml as preparation!

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Offline championbaum

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oml as preparation!
« on: January 07, 2009, 10:21:07 PM »
hey anyone that is a freak about their pack weight check this out, this is my pack weight, every item weighed (i am a lab manager so i have easy access to digi's). it isn't final, and clothes are not on it because i am upgrading to a more lightweight synthetic base layer. my "luxury item" is my sleeping bag which is rated way cooler than anything i will encounter, but i sleep very cold.

i am doing the OML again over martin luther king weekend, mainly a warmup because i have been so inspired by mule ears i am going to finally do my basin to santa elena trip, which i will post the proposed path as soon as i scan my topo, and am planning on setting out on it in march some time, so i will have time to tweak a few things. any ways i plan on setting out with 1.75 gallons of water, i usually use 2 liters a day, and that is quite a bit for me so that is going to be more than enough but i am still stashing some at homer wilson ranch.

i have done the OML in 3 days 2 nights and i am going to push myself this next trip, i really want to scout out the smokey creek trail so i plan on making it to that area with enough time to hike a few miles down it which i have not done.

since this is not to long of a trip i am thinking about using an alcohol stove i made, but i need to play with the weight differences between the stoves and fuel between my pocket rockt and my "super cat alcohol stove" i made.

i am not worried about anything left out, and my first aid kit is pretty extensive and even a little heavy, but any ideas on ways to save weight is what i am looking for.

my intent is working out a way to carry approx 2 gallons of water (16.66 lbs) if needed and about 4 lbs of food and be under 30 lbs total. i plan on a route eventually from the basin to santa elena where i can pass 3 good cache spots, so i am planning on spreading out some of my consumable weight.

i will prob have a lighter sleeping bag in march, a 32 at least, andd maybe down to save a pound or so.

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 10:43:58 PM »
Do not forget to post the links to the equipment you are using...and the pictures,of course.
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 11:07:54 PM »
ok when i get my final list i will, there is a pdf attatched that you can at least see the list and weight for now but no links :icon_frown:

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 07:18:49 AM »
i am doing the OML again over martin luther king weekend, mainly a warmup because i have been so inspired by mule ears i am going to finally do my basin to santa elena trip, which i will post the proposed path as soon as i scan my topo, and am planning on setting out on it in march some time, so i will have time to tweak a few things. any ways i plan on setting out with 1.75 gallons of water, i usually use 2 liters a day, and that is quite a bit for me so that is going to be more than enough but i am still stashing some at homer wilson ranch. 

championbaum I am a bit confused is this the water for the OML trip or the March trip? Either way really only 2 liters a day? Is that a typo? Most of us are using 4-5 liters a day or more.

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my intent is working out a way to carry approx 2 gallons of water (16.66 lbs) if needed and about 4 lbs of food and be under 30 lbs total.

So you are heading for a 10 pound base weight. The list is pretty good. Your best weight reduction will be in a lighter sleeping bag. Some minor things like a lighter ground sheet and clothes stuff bag unless you really need to compress the clothes to get it all in the Vapor Trail. You could get really minimal and just take a closed cell pad (like a ridgerest), even cut down and save 5-7 oz.

Remember that March is just about the driest month of the year in the park and getting fairly warm so the clothes can be at a minimum and I find most people carry too many clothes usually, but be safe.

I have not used alcolhol stoves, just been around alot of them, but you can save some weight there I am sure, lighter fluid and others here use them and might chime in.

I look forward to the proposed Basin to Santa Elena route.

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 12:48:05 PM »
I have to agree with Mule ear on the water.  Two liters is 8 cups.  I drink that before I'm out of sight of the truck.  Be careful, expect the best and plan for the worst.  If you are solo extra water is cheap insurance when you are waiting for S & R.
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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 12:58:28 PM »
no 2 liters a day on the oml is pretty typical for me this time of year, i have done it in the summer and used a gallon a day. also i really try to minimize the amount of dehydrated meals and things that require water to be made, although i usually carry one in case i come across a water source. i have started carrying 2 gallons before for the oml and had a gallon left by homer wilson ranch, last december when i did it that was the case, but i am still going to start out with 1.5-2 gallons, also keep in mind that my water consumption increases as the days go by so for a 2-3 day trip this is typical, but by the end of a week long trip i will definately be using 4 liters a day. when i do the basin to santa elena trip i will be able to cache at several spots, about a day to 2 days apart, i will scan that topo and let you check it out.

I have thought about getting a gossamer gear torso length nightlite pad (3.5 oz), but i think i spoiled myself using the thermarest. i am pretty small guy, i wish they made a torso length thermarest because the short goes to my knees.

i wasn't really aware that march was the driest part of the year, i was really hoping to wait for a good rain and then set out, if that is the case it isn't a problem for me to do the trip earlier or later because i am only a few hours away from the park. but there hasn't been much rain here or there recently. another reason i wanted to wait for a rain is because it gets so green, and i would really like some good photos! i also want to set out early enough that it isn't to terribly hot, but we will see.

the clothing issue is a tough one for me because i admit i usually carry too many clothes, and that is why i am buying better quality clothes, synthetic lightweight base layer, and mids.

the trip later in the year will definately be made with a lighter sleeping bag, depending on the weather but i hope the weather is such i can take a bag rated for 45 , which will save me a lb easy.

the whole point of the oml trip next weekend is to fine tune everything, see where i can really cut weight, which will make room for more water, but i for sure want to keep my total pack weight under 30#.

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 01:30:38 PM »
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e339/championbaum/route0001.jpg

here is a link to my topo with my proposed route in yellow, i have 3 cache spots marked in red, the whole trip is around 45 miles give or take a few. i chose that path because there are several land marks i can identify, and i want to check out the springs through the chimneys.

Hey mule ears, did you adjust for declination on your compass on your trips? i never have but this is the first real extensive backcountry trip where i will be off established trails and i want to make sure i am not going to far out of the way intended. 

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 05:34:48 PM »
I also think the water is on the short side, also need to consider water need in event of injury stopping you from moving, I lean toward more water along with stash for safety BB is desert winter and summer and if anything lower weight elsewhere. You can always monitor weather and determine possible clothing need prior to departure. Take photos.
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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 06:29:41 PM »
I think your water estimates are light, however that's your call. I don't go anywhere with 2 liters of water in the Bend. If I make a 3 mile day hike with a daypack, I usually carry more than that. This is a very dry time of year and temps can hit high 80's in the lower elevations during the day. You say you only drink 2 liters/day....you might ought to check out the color of your pee at the end of the day. If it looks like orange Gatorade, you should be drinking more.

Obsession with pack weight is fine, but that light pack won't be worth a hoot if you get dehydrated.

Transpiration and perspiration are physics.

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Offline Robert

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 06:38:47 PM »
Comments about water are spot on. I don't mean to pick on the op but to state that you only "need" 2 liters a day this time of the year is uninformed. This can only lead to trouble. 2 liters is about how much water you need when you aren't hiking. You need to be drinking more than this whether you are thirsty or not. Remember in the dry desert air you aren't going to sweat a lot but it doesn't mean you aren't losing water.

Good luck on your trip.



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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2009, 07:20:00 PM »
From the US Army Survival Manual
Not all those who wander are lost.
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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2009, 09:48:41 PM »
I always assume people know their own limitations and bodies, so I won't pile on the water debate, except to add this:  the desert is a terrible place to be wrong about your limitations or body.

Fortunately, most points on the OML are within a half-day's walk of water, unless, of course, one is unable to walk. The trail is not heavily used, so help cannot be expected. Passers-by are often non-existent. There will be even less chance of rescue on the eventual cross-country route.

It doesn't matter whether others wish to debate the amount of water baum wishes to carry. It only matters that he knows (not thinks, not believes, not hopes) it's the right amount.

Good luck on your hike -- the OML is spectacular, and tougher than most expect it to be.
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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2009, 10:20:45 PM »
Be aware that in March the weather can be on extremely different ends of the spectrum.  I was there during spring break last year.  It was about 90 degrees around ernst tinaja, three days later the Chisos got a light snow.  Check the weather and be prepared for anything that time of year.

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2009, 10:53:17 PM »
having only done the oml once, i found that there wasn't any amount of preparation that helped me know much of anything. i was surprised by many things...especially how difficult and rugged and slow the trail was.

on any backpack i do - especially in the desert- i will choose to try to be prepared for anything. especially as far as water is concerned. 

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Re: oml as preparation!
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2009, 11:13:15 PM »
Having never done the OML, but having hiked from Juniper Canyon down the Dodson to near Elephant Tusk, day hiked for a couple of days and then hiked back to Juniper on the fourth day, 5 liters would be the minimum I'd start with at that trail head.  Probably the same is true for most hikers.  This assumes the first hike the second day is to a spring for more water.  It's hard to be comfortable in the desert unless one has enough water.  It has to be top priority.  Could be just me . . .

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