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Title: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 04, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
To quote a Nike slogan, "Just do it".  (More to follow)  God bless.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 04, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
To quote a Nike slogan, "Just do it".  (More to follow)  God bless.

Awesome, looking forward to the story.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: robmaz49 on January 05, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
Very interested in your report. My wife and I were planning on doing the trail in 2 weeks for my 30th birthday. Been planning for a while now so hopefully smooth sailing!
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: FiveStar on January 06, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
Also interested in this report.  Planning to arrive at Chisos Basin 4 weeks from today; not terribly encouraged that it'll be open.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: devin on January 06, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
Add me to the list of interested parties. I have a trip planned 1/24-1/29. I have to assume it will be over by then, as that would be stretching over a month and the longest one to date was 21 days, but you never know.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 08, 2019, 07:49:24 PM
Sorry if I gave ya'll the impression I was hiking it this past weekend, but my wife and I aren't hiking it until late-Feb.  We were concerned about the NPS not issuing back-country camping permits etc due to the govt shutdown, and honestly, after all of the prep work and planning/training/equipping we've done over the past year, we plan to just do it regardless of all the political BS if it's still in effect.  I've read every OML thread on here, and appreciate this great source of info.  Hope I can add to it when I post my trip report, which I will.  Good luck and happy trails to those who get to experience it before we do!  Semper Fi.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: FiveStar on January 10, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
I'm not optimistic it'll be open in time for me on Feb. 3rd....I need the campground to be open.  I'll give 'em another week, and then I'm going to have to commit to a Plan B :(
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 10, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
It'll be open by next Monday. You can take it to the bank. Quote me on that.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 10, 2019, 07:18:36 PM
I hope so.  Curious what the price of a federal citation/penalty would be for camping in the back country without a permit.  Anyone know?  I'm not endorsing breaking the law, but if one were to break it and camp in an authorized (non-govt shutdown mode) zone, and get caught, what are the monetary penalties/ramifications?  Lack of any Search and Rescue/med evac services?  I'm probably not the only one with this question. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 10, 2019, 07:55:29 PM
Well, based on what I could research, a violation of NPS regs could result in a fine of up to $5,000 per violation and/or 6 months in jail.  I was thinking/hoping maybe $35 ticket would be the penalty.  We'll be looking at Big Bend Ranch State Park for our plan B, as some others have, if they're not issuing permits. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 10, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
I have read in several places that it was $100 per person

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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: RichardM on January 11, 2019, 09:05:11 AM
I have read in several places that it was $100 per person
Of course, those citations were under ordinary circumstances. I could see them bumping it up during a shutdown, assuming they have control and authority to do so.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: elhombre on January 11, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
It'll be open by next Monday. You can take it to the bank. Quote me on that.

I would tend to agree.  Looks like facts are starting to erode the blinding hatred against all things Trump. 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/10/democrats-crack-on-the-wall/
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: steelfrog on January 11, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
I did it 5x during 2018 as a dayhike.  It's a lot of fun, not carrying heavy pack and all. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: elhombre on January 11, 2019, 12:10:49 PM
Another reason to be optimistic that this will soon end:

Heard on the radio, today is the very first time the federal employees affected by the shut down will miss a pay check (except for when the govment was shut down due to the war of 1812).
Meaning, this is the first day the federal employees are feeling ANY sting from ANY shut down.  Ever!  Now that the pain is coming home to Washington DC, things may change........

Now us "unwashed" are not the only ones being inconvenienced. 


ps.  Congress passed a bill on Thursday guaranteeing payback of all lost wages.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 11, 2019, 06:15:09 PM
I did it 5x during 2018 as a dayhike.  It's a lot of fun, not carrying heavy pack and all.
I envy you, and certainly what must be your youth in 2018 (I'm 54).
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 11, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
I have read in several places that it was $100 per person

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If I definitively knew the penalty was only $100, I'd have 2 Benjamin's readily-accessible to part with as long as we could continue the journey. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: steelfrog on January 12, 2019, 12:31:06 AM
I did it 5x during 2018 as a dayhike.  It's a lot of fun, not carrying heavy pack and all.
I envy you, and certainly what must be your youth in 2018 (I'm 54).

Iím 52 , fat (230 pounds) , 2 bad knees and a bad back. Anybody can do it.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: dprather on January 12, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I did it 5x during 2018 as a dayhike.  It's a lot of fun, not carrying heavy pack and all.
I envy you, and certainly what must be your youth in 2018 (I'm 54).

Iím 52 , fat (230 pounds) , 2 bad knees and a bad back. Anybody can do it.

I have seen young people with next to no equipment and in only average physical condition (at best) complete the OML; I have seen young people with quality equipment and in very good physical condition fail. 

I'm 63 and in solid condition (for my age) and have top-flight equipment and I have done the OML 7 or 8 times, once solo; I have helped people in distress get off the OML who also had top-flight equipment and who could run rings around me. 

The variables in the OML success equation are many, varied and subtle.  There is a high failure rate.   

I'm not sure that I can totally agree that "anybody can do it."  "Many people ought to be able to do it" is as far as I can go.

If the light and space put the zap on Mr. Clean's head, I think that the vastness of the Bend and the intensity of the sunshine (which can be draining) puts the zap on the heads of many of those who fail.

An interesting focus for meaningless research would be to (i) identify and (ii) correlate causal factors for OLM failures.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 13, 2019, 04:04:02 PM
I did it 5x during 2018 as a dayhike.  It's a lot of fun, not carrying heavy pack and all.
I envy you, and certainly what must be your youth in 2018 (I'm 54).

Iím 52 , fat (230 pounds) , 2 bad knees and a bad back. Anybody can do it.
Ha ha.  The OML as a day hike must be mostly head-down rucking.  After having served 21 years in the Corps and enduring many forced marches under heavy loads, a lighter pack and taking several days to absorb the experience, photograph the changing environments etc, sounds much more pleasurable to me (especially since I'll have my wife with me).   
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: steelfrog on January 13, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Different strokes for different folks.  I've done plenty of both kinds of hiking.

I've been evolving toward more long-distance stuff, light pack.  Much more enjoyable for me than lugging a heavy pack.  See more stuff for a given time (time is something I don't have a lot of--6 kids, 2 jobs), I find I see a lot more wildlife, especially at night.

Also, opens up a lot more possibilities in terms of doing things; example, it's almost impossible to get a permit for the Enchantments in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness of Washington; doing it as a dayhike (20 miles or so) makes it easy.

Anyway, OML as a dayhike really isn't that hard, for someone who wants to do it.  Lots of possible variations, including Colima or around the NE/SE/SW rim.  I understand your wife won't want to.  Mine wouldn't either.

I don't recommend doing it in August.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: StimyJones on January 13, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
I hiked the OML a few weeks ago during the gov't shutdown (Dec 23-25)

I parked in the overflow parking at the Chisos Basin like I normally would have, hiked the OML, and 2.5 days later I arrived back at my car and there was NO CITATION on my car. 

I'm not guaranteeing this kind of luck for anybody but it was just simply worth the risk to me.  I was going to pay whatever fine I incurred.

Has anyone received a citation?
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 13, 2019, 05:25:56 PM
Different strokes for different folks.  I've done plenty of both kinds of hiking.

I've been evolving toward more long-distance stuff, light pack.  Much more enjoyable for me than lugging a heavy pack.  See more stuff for a given time (time is something I don't have a lot of--6 kids, 2 jobs), I find I see a lot more wildlife, especially at night.

Also, opens up a lot more possibilities in terms of doing things; example, it's almost impossible to get a permit for the Enchantments in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness of Washington; doing it as a dayhike (20 miles or so) makes it easy.

Anyway, OML as a dayhike really isn't that hard, for someone who wants to do it.  Lots of possible variations, including Colima or around the NE/SE/SW rim.  I understand your wife won't want to.  Mine wouldn't either.

I don't recommend doing it in August.
You already have a heavy load brother (wife and 6 kids)!  No wonder you like to travel far and light when you have time.  Nourishment for the soul.  Some day I may solo the OML, maybe even day hike it, but not during August. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 13, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
I hiked the OML a few weeks ago during the gov't shutdown (Dec 23-25)

I parked in the overflow parking at the Chisos Basin like I normally would have, hiked the OML, and 2.5 days later I arrived back at my car and there was NO CITATION on my car. 

I'm not guaranteeing this kind of luck for anybody but it was just simply worth the risk to me.  I was going to pay whatever fine I incurred.
How was your trip?

Has anyone received a citation?
How was your trip?
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 14, 2019, 12:38:52 PM
It'll be open by next Monday. You can take it to the bank. Quote me on that.

Ooops. I meant "NEXT next Monday."   :icon_wink:
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 14, 2019, 07:33:48 PM
It'll be open by next Monday. You can take it to the bank. Quote me on that.

Ooops. I meant "NEXT next Monday."   :icon_wink:
Wasn't holding you to it bro.  Washington is  :willynilly: 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 15, 2019, 09:23:10 AM
Here is the latest from over at reddit BigBendTX (https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBendTX/comments/ag0s50/park_status/)
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: Jalco on January 15, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
Gotta love the first comment

"BigBendChat.com always has updated info on the park. Its run by locals and guides."
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 15, 2019, 11:59:54 AM
Gotta love the first comment

"BigBendChat.com always has updated info on the park. Its run by locals and guides."




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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 15, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Here is the latest from over at reddit BigBendTX (https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBendTX/comments/ag0s50/park_status/)
Interesting read.  Tks for the link. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: RichardM on January 15, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
Gotta love the first comment

"BigBendChat.com always has updated info on the park. Its run by locals and guides."
Well, Casa Grande does own some property out there, and I'm not shy about telling people where to go, so I guess that's kind of true, in a very vague and non-binding sense of the word(s).
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 15, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Gotta love the first comment

"BigBendChat.com always has updated info on the park. Its run by locals and guides."
Well, Casa Grande does own some property out there, and I'm not shy about telling people where to go, so I guess that's kind of true, in a very vague and non-binding sense of the word(s).




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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 25, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
At least a three week reprieve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxpgcHn1aH4

 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 25, 2019, 06:13:25 PM
Sad.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 25, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
Sad.
Sad that we have gotten to this place or that Trump caved?

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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 25, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Don't troll me.   :icon_smile:
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 25, 2019, 07:00:45 PM
Sad.
Sad that we have gotten to this place or that Trump caved?

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Politics isn't supposed to happen here right? I just want to complete the OML.  Seems to me our access to National Parks shouldn't be held hostage to any administration.  I wonder which way Teddy Roosevelt would lean. https://www.nps.gov/thro/learn/historyculture/theodore-roosevelt-quotes.htm
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 25, 2019, 07:25:45 PM
Sad.
Sad that we have gotten to this place or that Trump caved?

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Politics isn't supposed to happen here right? I just want to complete the OML.  Seems to me our access to National Parks shouldn't be held hostage to any administration.  I wonder which way Teddy Roosevelt would lean. https://www.nps.gov/thro/learn/historyculture/theodore-roosevelt-quotes.htm
True that.  I hope you and everyone else can finally get their hikes in.

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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: elhombre on January 25, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
the Texas Secretary of State's office discovered that a total of approximately 95,000 individuals identified by DPS as non-U.S. citizens have a matching voter registration record in Texas, approximately 58,000 of whom have voted in one or more Texas elections," Whitley said in a Friday news release.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/25/texas-election-official-95-000-non-citizens-found-voter-rolls/2683399002/

Noticed how blue the border is getting?

 :dance:
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: mule ears on January 25, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
the Texas Secretary of State's office discovered that a total of approximately 95,000 individuals identified by DPS as non-U.S. citizens have a matching voter registration record in Texas, approximately 58,000 of whom have voted in one or more Texas elections," Whitley said in a Friday news release.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/25/texas-election-official-95-000-non-citizens-found-voter-rolls/2683399002/

Noticed how blue the border is getting?

 :dance:
Reading the article it sounds like the investigation is not finished yet.  Could be fake news but we are not getting into politics here are we.

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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 25, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
Seriously, folks, I was just passing on the unfiltered announcement, without any intended comment of any kind. I figured that was the least political way of doing it. If I could have found a pure YouTube without intro or analysis, I would have used that. This was the least intrusive version I could find.


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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 25, 2019, 08:45:12 PM
Strange.  I was just researching backpacks on Amazon for the OML, and came across this which just hit the market today - only 5.7 billion.  It stated limited time only though.   :icon_wink:
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: ghysdulkc on January 26, 2019, 11:44:00 AM
When are the visitor centers opening back up?
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: House Made of Dawn on January 26, 2019, 12:16:28 PM
Dunno. My guess is sometime this week, once the facilities have  been given a good cleaning. I wouldnít count on it, though, until the NPS publishes something in the BIBE website or FB page.


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Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: Jim on January 26, 2019, 03:48:52 PM
I've heard indirectly that the NPS will again staff the PJ VC at noon Monday, although the bookstore there has been open for the past 2 weeks.
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: Nascent Ascent on January 27, 2019, 08:24:49 AM
Think there will be an influx of people in this three week period?
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: Hang10er on January 27, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
Great! My trip is planned right after the 3 week window. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: jtemples on January 27, 2019, 03:46:57 PM
Think there will be an influx of people in this three week period?
I would think so. 
Title: Re: OML during Govt shutdown
Post by: GaryF on January 27, 2019, 11:22:13 PM
https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/government-shutdown.htm


Important Notice to Park Visitors
We're Back!
The government shutdown has ended, and Big Bend National Park will now begin reopening and bringing visitor services back on-line over the next few days!

Thanks for all of the support and patience as we endured the longest government shutdown, during a busy time in Big Bend.
 
Update 1-27-19
Re-opening schedule for Big Bend National Park

Sunday, January 27
8 AM: Persimmon Gap Entrance Station
Noon: Panther Junction Visitor Center (Bookstore will be open at 9 AM)
Noon: Chisos Basin Visitor Center

Monday, January 28
8 AM: NPS Business Office (Panther Junction Headquarters)
9 AM: Rio Grande Village Visitor Center
10 AM: Castolon Visitor Center
10 AM: Persimmon Gap Visitor Center

Tuesday, January 29
Noon: Chisos Basin, Cottonwood, and Rio Grande Village Campgrounds.

First night for backcountry camping permits.
Permits available from Panther Junction and Chisos Basin Visitor Centers.

Wednesday, January 30
8 AM: Boquillas Crossing Port of Entry Opens.
 
Camping Notes

Chisos Basin, Rio Grande Village, and Cottonwood Campgrounds remain closed until Tuesday, 1/29.
There is NO OVERNIGHT CAMPING in Big Bend National Park at this time.
There is one exception: The Rio Grande Village RV hookups camping area, operated by Forever Resorts remains open.
Permits are required for ALL backcountry camping.
Backcountry Permits will be issued starting Monday, 1/28, for trips beginning Tuesday (24 hours in advance of first night)