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Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: 01ACRViper on February 22, 2006, 10:20:12 AM
going with 2 friends today, staying at Paint Gap 4(hopefully) tonight, then the other 5 friens will get there in my jeep tomorrow, and we'll meet up at the hot springs. hope to stay at glenn springs that night. not sure of much other than that and that i'm going to climb Pulliam and Ward if it kills me  :oops:  i've been meaning to the last couple trips, just never got it done. also maybe nuggent, crown, carter, goat, and up onto burro mesa  :lol: look for many pictures and a trip report on monday :D
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Bobcat on February 22, 2006, 10:56:18 AM
If you summit Crown, please take pic of summit log that's apparently in a jar.  Fritz51(fellow in a group that I socialized with last Spring) wants to see that posted.  Fritz now has a heart condition.
Title: WOW!
Post by: chisos_muse on February 22, 2006, 12:11:20 PM
Be safe, Viper....say hi for me (us).....and have a great time! :D  :D
Title: And
Post by: SHANEA on February 22, 2006, 03:53:06 PM
And how long will you be gone?  Are you not still in college - you just can't leave mid week - you have work to do!  Spring break is not for weeks!  Full trip report with pics please and a report on the campsite accessability for a trailer.  Ah, to be a college student again - carefree...
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Don H on February 22, 2006, 04:47:22 PM
You may have had it pretty "carefree" at SFA, but for me at A&M it was far from carefree.  Pretty hectic with a full schedule and working my way through and all.
By the way Howdy all, Gig em Aggies!!!!
Title: Hook'em
Post by: RichardM on February 22, 2006, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: "Don H"
You may have had it pretty "carefree" at SFA, but for me at A&M it was far from carefree.  Pretty hectic with a full schedule and working my way through and all.
By the way Howdy all, Gig em Aggies!!!!

UT as an engineering student was pretty full as well.
Hook'em, Horns!
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Casa Grande on February 22, 2006, 05:31:09 PM
well, it wasn't all fun and games at good ole SWT, damn it all!

if fact, i remember one saturday I had a class! nothing like crawling up to old main after a night at the DELTS! A&M, UT, SFA...ha!

 \:D/ \:D/  \:D/  \:D/
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: SHANEA on February 22, 2006, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: "Don H"
"carefree" at SFA,


Oh, I did my share of all nighters @ SFA and also worked some.  Computer Science and Psychology was no basket weaving course, and I had to slug it through all the math courses and Calculus, which I have yet to ever use again...   :lol:   But, I did my share of nights @ CrossRoads, The Party Center, Cotton Eyed Joes, etc.  Plus, I did my share of spare-of-the-moment road trips!  

While I'm at it - "How About Them Lumberjacks!"
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: chisos_muse on February 23, 2006, 06:56:31 AM
All of you college boys I cannot share any alumnusses.. :?
I decided that further schooling would not benefit me, as I was a singer in a rock n roll band, and was going to get signed to a contract and all.. :lol:

Well I still like to sing, but wish I had da fundage to go back to school now!
 Do ya think Sul Ross would take on this ol gal? I wouldn't mind living in Alpine for a while and driving to the Bender to measure pressure in the Sotol, LOL
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Bobcat on February 23, 2006, 07:20:07 AM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
All of you college boys I cannot share any alumnusses.. :?
I decided that further schooling would not benefit me, as I was a singer in a rock n roll band, and was going to get signed to a contract and all.. :lol:

Well I still like to sing, but wish I had da fundage to go back to school now!
 Do ya think Sul Ross would take on this ol gal? I wouldn't mind living in Alpine for a while and driving to the Bender to measure pressure in the Sotol, LOL


You prolly don't have to have a college degree to measure pressure in a Sotol plant.  I think there's a Sotol Pressure Measuring Certificate you can buy on the internet.  But, if you can't find one there, muse, I'll make one fer ya 8)
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: chisos_muse on February 23, 2006, 07:22:58 AM
But that's what it took a research team of like 5 peeps from Texas Tech to do! LOL.......hey that Sotol measuring is muy importante!! :)
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Bobcat on February 23, 2006, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
But that's what it took a research team of like 5 peeps from Texas Tech to do! LOL.......hey that Sotol measuring is muy importante!! :)


Just get her done!!! But be sure to have that certificate in your back pocket, case a ranger comes along and starts axin too many questions!!! Cowpeesh?  Just a reminder; I'll make, for you, the necessary certificant if you can't find one on the internet : )
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: SHANEA on February 23, 2006, 08:51:11 AM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Do ya think Sul Ross would take on this ol gal? I wouldn't mind living in Alpine for a while and driving to the Bender to measure pressure in the Sotol, LOL


I bet they would be more than happy to take your money.  Just remember Alpine is a tiny bit smaller than San Antonio, so small there is not even a Wally-World there.  You'd have to drive the Fort Stockton for the Wally-World and it's not even a super Wally-World.  Then, Midland/Odessa would be where you gals would like to shop - maybe.  I'm sure living in Alpine would be nice, I think it's a nice town.  But, to be honest, I'm afraid you/me we'd get there and get caught up in everything locally for rarely make it to the Bend.  When I moved back to East Texas I had grand plans of being on the hiking trails, at the lake, camping all the time - yea, right.  Plus, I tend to imagine the wages are just a little bit lower in Alpine than San Antonio - being a college town and everything.

Don't let anyone fool you that the cost of living might be lower, that's what I thought when I moved back too.  Gas is more expensive here, milk/bread/etc. are all about the same.  Insurance is lower and housing is lower.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: SHANEA on February 23, 2006, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: "David Locke"
well, it wasn't all fun and games at good ole SWT,


 :lol:  At Least SFA, UT, A&M, etc. still exist :!:   OUCH :!:  :lol:  8)

Did TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY - TSU - reissue sheep skins to all former graduates, or did they just void them :?:  :lol:
Title: Say Hello To Viper!
Post by: SHANEA on February 23, 2006, 11:14:41 PM
I think Viper is waving at us?  (http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/thereisviper.JPG)

Poor Viper, looks like there won't be much star gazing out there.  (http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/bummer.JPG)

I wonder what college students do now days when there are no stars to look at - at night?   :lol:   At least the weather isn't extreme one way or the other.  A nice desert rain is usually welcomed.  

Now, Viper said he and someone else were going out there, and five more were showing up.  So, he and a buddy went out there and five girls showed up :?:   Might be stars all right :!:  (BobCat, I'm sure they all have individual tents and the dorm mom insures that there is no hanky-panky going on).

BUT, it could be really bad, this is why I like to haul most of the provisions, especially the liquor.  Two go camping.  Five more are supposed to show up.  The five more never show up.   :!:    [/img]
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: chisos_muse on February 24, 2006, 06:13:19 AM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Do ya think Sul Ross would take on this ol gal? I wouldn't mind living in Alpine for a while and driving to the Bender to measure pressure in the Sotol, LOL


I bet they would be more than happy to take your money.  Just remember Alpine is a tiny bit smaller than San Antonio, so small there is not even a Wally-World there.  You'd have to drive the Fort Stockton for the Wally-World and it's not even a super Wally-World.  Then, Midland/Odessa would be where you gals would like to shop - maybe.  I'm sure living in Alpine would be nice, I think it's a nice town.  But, to be honest, I'm afraid you/me we'd get there and get caught up in everything locally for rarely make it to the Bend.  When I moved back to East Texas I had grand plans of being on the hiking trails, at the lake, camping all the time - yea, right.  Plus, I tend to imagine the wages are just a little bit lower in Alpine than San Antonio - being a college town and everything.

Don't let anyone fool you that the cost of living might be lower, that's what I thought when I moved back too.  Gas is more expensive here, milk/bread/etc. are all about the same.  Insurance is lower and housing is lower.



How many times do I hafta tell ya.....I'm not like other gurlz! :roll:
(bananarepublic.com & REI.com....and UPS man, all's I need)

LOL, I do know what you're talking about, though....But at this stage of my game, it's really just about CHOICES.....not $, or any other factors. If I want to make somethin happen, it's going to. Merely taking the initiative.

About VIPER.....I think he's having a blast!!! :D  Right now he's catchin up on much needed sleep (5 gurlz!!!!!)
Hecks, 1 of ME would be enough!  \:D/ MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHAHAHAHAHHAAA
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Bobcat on February 24, 2006, 06:58:40 AM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Do ya think Sul Ross would take on this ol gal? I wouldn't mind living in Alpine for a while and driving to the Bender to measure pressure in the Sotol, LOL


I bet they would be more than happy to take your money.  Just remember Alpine is a tiny bit smaller than San Antonio, so small there is not even a Wally-World there.  You'd have to drive the Fort Stockton for the Wally-World and it's not even a super Wally-World.  Then, Midland/Odessa would be where you gals would like to shop - maybe.  I'm sure living in Alpine would be nice, I think it's a nice town.  But, to be honest, I'm afraid you/me we'd get there and get caught up in everything locally for rarely make it to the Bend.  When I moved back to East Texas I had grand plans of being on the hiking trails, at the lake, camping all the time - yea, right.  Plus, I tend to imagine the wages are just a little bit lower in Alpine than San Antonio - being a college town and everything.

Don't let anyone fool you that the cost of living might be lower, that's what I thought when I moved back too.  Gas is more expensive here, milk/bread/etc. are all about the same.  Insurance is lower and housing is lower.



How many times do I hafta tell ya.....I'm not like other gurlz! :roll:
(bananarepublic.com & REI.com....and UPS man, all's I need)

LOL, I do know what you're talking about, though....But at this stage of my game, it's really just about CHOICES.....not $, or any other factors. If I want to make somethin happen, it's going to. Merely taking the initiative.

About VIPER.....I think he's having a blast!!! :D  Right now he's catchin up on much needed sleep (5 gurlz!!!!!)
Hecks, 1 of ME would be enough!  \:D/ MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHAHAHAHAHHAAA

 
Might have to go with a couple of Miniyouz for footwarmers in the ole sack(I mean sleeping bag)   :shock:
Title: Not Much Better Today
Post by: SHANEA on February 24, 2006, 04:18:28 PM
I wonder if all the employees at BBNP think we are all a bunch of nut cases - they sit around the lunch table or the water cooler and go "can you believe that sh*t that they post on that board?  Or, have you seen this Chios_Muse?  And, I wonder about that BobCat Guy - better keep an eye on him.  Or, better yet, if you see Dumas coming, alert the rangers and border patrol, might need to pull him over and search that vehicle a few times....

Poor Viper,  Not much to see out there today.  I'm glad I'm not there -  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

 (http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/mightycloudytodaypj.jpg)

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/mightycloudytodaybsn.jpg)
Title: HQ
Post by: Bobcat on February 24, 2006, 05:11:37 PM
We post A+ sh*t on this chat!!!  Hope you're enjoying some of our sh*t at HQ.  Remember how nice Bobcat has treated y'all(staff and volunteers) when it's time to rescue the Catster somewhere in the Park 8)
Title: Re: Not Much Better Today
Post by: chisos_muse on February 24, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
I wonder if all the employees at BBNP think we are all a bunch of nut cases - they sit around the lunch table or the water cooler and go "can you believe that sh*t that they post on that board?  Or, have you seen this Chios_Muse?  And, I wonder about that BobCat Guy - better keep an eye on him.  Or, better yet, if you see Dumas coming, alert the rangers and border patrol, might need to pull him over and search that vehicle a few times....

Poor Viper,  Not much to see out there today.  I'm glad I'm not there -  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:




This has to be one of the most priceless posts on this whole board......It is near and dear to my heart.....it made me laugh out loud and then tear up...

And You LIE so poorly ShaneA......"I'm glad I'm not there" :^o
Title: Re: HQ
Post by: chisos_muse on February 24, 2006, 06:57:11 PM
Quote from: "Bobcat"
We post A+ sh*t on this chat!!!  Hope you're enjoying some of our sh*t at HQ.  Remember how nice Bobcat has treated y'all(staff and volunteers) when it's time to rescue the Catster somewhere in the Park 8)



And THIS post.....I just have no words.....nothing could ever top this..... :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: 01ACRViper on February 26, 2006, 07:21:39 PM
well plans changed around a lot :hs: we camped at PG 4 the first night, then at Rice Tanks, then in the basin campground, then La CLocha 1 the last night. i got to climb Goat Mtn, Chilicotal Mtn, and the Basin Rock :lol: i gotta get caught up on labs and get ready for tests this week, btu i will ahve all the pictures up and a trip report soon :D
Title: Pictures...
Post by: SHANEA on February 26, 2006, 07:28:45 PM
First things first - get the pictures up, then the labs, then the exams!  What's more important, pictures :!:   Then trip report :!:   That's what all-nighters are for.  What are u majoring in anyway :?:
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: chisos_muse on February 26, 2006, 08:44:34 PM
Glad you're home safe, Viper! Can't wait to hear alllllllllll about it! :D
Title: Re: Pictures...
Post by: 01ACRViper on February 26, 2006, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
First things first - get the pictures up, then the labs, then the exams!  What's more important, pictures :!:   Then trip report :!:   That's what all-nighters are for.  What are u majoring in anyway :?:


GEology  :oops:
Title: Re: Pictures...
Post by: chisos_muse on February 26, 2006, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: "01ACRViper"
Quote from: "SHANEA"
First things first - get the pictures up, then the labs, then the exams!  What's more important, pictures :!:   Then trip report :!:   That's what all-nighters are for.  What are u majoring in anyway :?:


GEology  :oops:


Why U put embarrased face up thurr? I'm envious!! :D
Title: Rock Hound...
Post by: SHANEA on February 26, 2006, 10:51:06 PM
Ah, should have known a rock hound major.  Probably a good time for those, I bet the job opportunities are pretty good with oil pushing $70bbl.  The job market would really have been hot if they had of blown up that oil refinery in Saudi last week - you were gone and probably didn't hear about it :!:   Analysts said that oil would have shot to $100bbl if the attack had of gone through.  At that price, I couldn't afford to drive across the street, let alone 12 hours to the West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend Region.   :D

One of my roommates in college and good friend was a rock hound and I knew quite a few of the people in the program, there were even some female rockhounds.  See Muse, you can be a rockhound too.

Muse, SFA has a pretty good geology program I understand.
Title: So Tell Us Viper
Post by: TheWildWestGuy on February 27, 2006, 06:50:06 AM
So tell us Viper - How did you plan to climb Ward Mtn?   Do you have a route picked out?
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Casa Grande on February 27, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
the haze in the park was really bad when i was there 2 weeks ago.....looking forward to reading the report , Viper
Title: Re: So Tell Us Viper
Post by: 01ACRViper on February 27, 2006, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: "TheWildWestGuy"
So tell us Viper - How did you plan to climb Ward Mtn?   Do you have a route picked out?


from what i saw, there won't be anythign technical about it, just surviving the push through the thick brush  :( i asked every ranger i talked to about the old Ward Mtn trail that was posted in an old park guide here, but they were just as clueless as i was. i'm going to spend a night at the LM backcountry sites next trip, and just spend a whole day looking for the trail. it would be cool to find it an re-establish it. I'm not sure why they closed it either. it couldnt' be any worse than emory's 3rd class pitch, and you would have magnificent views to the west. the only reason i could think of for closing the trail is its proximity to Cattail Canyon  :x
Title: Better late then never
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 23, 2006, 11:58:09 PM
I just came across this paragraph in a 1971 version of "Hiker's Guide to the Developed Trails and Primitive Routes":
Quote
Ward Mountain primitive trail starts along the north side of Laguna and is about two miles in length. A small rock dam is located at the end of this hike. In summer, watch for Colima Warblers among the oaks in the canyon above the dam."


Sounds like the trail as such was a hike into upper Cattail Canyon.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: TheWildWestGuy on October 24, 2006, 06:05:25 AM
Good find -must have been the route along the canyon floor to the Dam, I was there a couple weeks ago and could find fragments of a trail but not enough to follow for more than 1/4 mile or so.   I also found trail fragments going up the ridge from LW1 campsite that looked like maybe they kept going all the way down the ridgeline.

Does your old hiking guide have any other primitive routes listed?

I think the route up Casa Grande must have been a regular trail at some point because the tree's have been cut away from the path perhaps back in the 1970's... TWWG
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 24, 2006, 08:07:22 AM
It does mention the Apache Canyon trail. Says it follows the old Burro Mesa road. I don't have the book with me. When I get home tonight, I'll post the entire passage about AC.

I don't recall it saying anything about Casa Grande.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 24, 2006, 08:11:26 AM
I was looking through this guide hoping to find some info on a trail that shows up on the 1953 map. This particular trail turns west off the Laguna Meadow trail near where the Basin Loop trail turns east, then turns north to link up with the Window trail. No luck.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: 01ACRViper on October 24, 2006, 11:35:14 AM
well so much for finding an old trail :lol:
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Vince T on October 24, 2006, 12:33:44 PM
What a great resource to have though.

If you put it up on eBay...BDANN would snap it up, I think!
Vince
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 24, 2006, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: "01ACRViper"
well so much for finding an old trail :lol:


Yeah, it appears "Ward Mtn Trail" is something of a misnomer.



"Trails??? We don't need so stinkin' trails!"
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: bdann on October 24, 2006, 01:47:51 PM
Check out this post: http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/index.php?topic=1109.0

Here's a full size scan of the 1953 map: http://www.bdann.net/images/img182.jpg

It shows the Ward Mtn Trail starting right next to the word "Laguna".

Compare it with a current Chisos trails map and you'll see other changes.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: bdann on October 24, 2006, 02:10:12 PM
Here's the inset:

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/bdann/oltrail.jpg)

The Ward Mtn  Trail is in blue.  I traced the trail that hooks up with the window trail in red.  There's also a trail coming up from Blue Creek that I don't think exists any longer.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: bdann on October 24, 2006, 02:18:26 PM
there's also a trail connecting Juniper Flat with the Lost Mine Trail.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 24, 2006, 02:19:56 PM
Thanks, BDann. The red trail is the one I was trying to learn more about.

The blue trail does appear to head into Blue Creek. Perhaps by the time the Hiker's Guide was published, the trail had been interrupted or re-routed.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 24, 2006, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
there's also a trail connecting Juniper Flat with the Lost Mine Trail.


I wonder if that could be the trail TWWG was referencing? It does pass in front of Casa Grande.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: bdann on October 24, 2006, 02:33:10 PM
I've never seen a map showing a trail up Casa Grande, the trail, as it exists today is on the other side of the mountain from the trail shown on the '53 map.  I have heard it's possible to get to the top from Juniper Flat though.

Here's David's map of the trail from his post on hiking Casa Grande:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/trail-map.jpg)

(though the official "unofficial" trail starts at the overlook, not at marker 7)
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Robert on October 24, 2006, 03:05:15 PM
Bdann, thanks for posting the old map. I noticed there was no Ross Maxwell drive yet.
Title: Kibbey Spring
Post by: Joe on October 24, 2006, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
there's also a trail connecting Juniper Flat with the Lost Mine Trail.


That looks like the Kibbey Spring trail.
Title: Re: Kibbey Spring
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 25, 2006, 08:33:28 AM
Quote from: "Joe"
Quote from: "bdann"
there's also a trail connecting Juniper Flat with the Lost Mine Trail.


That looks like the Kibbey Spring trail.


After studying my  topo map (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=29.2708&lon=-103.28936&s=24&size=l&u=1&datum=nad27&layer=DRG), I'd say you're right. The map spells it "Kibbe". Do you know which is correct?
Title: Kibbe Spring
Post by: Joe on October 25, 2006, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: "Lemming_of_the_BDA"
The map spells it "Kibbe". Do you know which is correct?


I haven't looked at the topo map, I was relying on my memory  :?

If it's Kibbe on the map, then that's probably correct.
Title: leaving today for BB :D
Post by: Lemming_of_the_BDA on October 25, 2006, 02:18:27 PM
I have a map of an area in South Dakota that has a feature mis-labeled. It's supposed to be called Eye of the Father, or something to that effect. However, they transposed a couple of letters, so it actually translates to "Eye of the Potato", or something equally ridiculous.
Anyway, I don't assume the map is always right. Thanks Joe! :D