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The increase in bear activity in Big Bend

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Offline Al

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The increase in bear activity in Big Bend
« on: October 18, 2006, 08:56:42 PM »
Admin Note: Split from this topic regarding the increase in bear sightings and activity in the park.

I may be a lone voice but I think the bears may become a problem.  

As a Boy Scout we went to Philmont and did a 10 day hike.  One night we were sitting around the campfire and a black bear came charging down from the woods straight at us.  We started yelling and screaming and he/she turned around and headed back up the hill.  We didn't have bear boxes but did hang our food at night.  Heard plenty of stories about bears slashing tents going after toothpaste, etc.  I have nothing against bears but given the back country aspect of Big Bend I can see a lot of potential for conflict: trail closures, close encounters and such . . . it could become problematic.

Time will tell.

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 09:05:00 PM »
Bears will become a problem, because we are already a problem.

There is no way to prevent people from leaving their trash for bears and also to keep the idiots from intentionally feeding them.  They WILL become too accustomed to human activity and encroachment and become a danger to people, thus endandering themselves.  It is only a question of how soon.

The best way to prevent it will be to remove as much development as is practical from the Basin.  If that is possible at all, it will engender quite a spirited debate.  I love having the bears and lions in the park.  I have mixed emotions about the impact on exisitng use at places like the Basin.

This should be a VERY interesting discussion.
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline Casa Grande

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 06:36:38 AM »
Quote from: "Al"
I may be a lone voice but I think the bears may become a problem.


You are half correct, but the problem is us, not them, as OKIE says.  It's only a matter of time before it's a real problem.

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Offline SA Bill

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 07:21:27 AM »
Joe:
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they had shaggy hair on the throat area.

All: I was thinking the same thing as far as the bear situation when the couple down the way were talking to me. I'm sure they didn't appreciate the impact that bears going through the Basin camp ground might have. I mean, I was sitting in a chair reading and the Momma was no more than 10' away from me before I knew it. When (probably already happening) people start feeding them, we've got big trouble. I'm afraid the bears will ultimately be the losers.

Side story: Ranger Sams (?) told us that with the deer, he can pick up a pebble and toss it off to the the side when the deer are around and they will go over to see what it is because so often people are tossing things out for them to eat. They're already conditioned to humans = food.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 08:06:20 AM »
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When (probably already happening) people start feeding them, we've got big trouble.


I'm going on record here to say that if you feed a bear in it's natural environment ANYWHERE, you deserve to be eaten. Unfortunately, it's probably going to be the next guy camping in your spot that will get eaten, not the idiot that fed him.  Sorry, I digressed... I have now split the topic.[/color]

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 08:13:21 AM »
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Quote from: "SA Bill"
When (probably already happening) people start feeding them, we've got big trouble.


I'm going on record here to say that if you feed a bear in it's natural environment ANYWHERE, you deserve to be eaten. Unfortunately, it's probably going to be the next guy camping in your spot that will get eaten, not the idiot that fed him.  Sorry, I digressed... I have now split the topic.[/color]



Yep...your comments are right on.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 02:43:43 PM »
And then there's this kind of problem.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 06:05:26 PM »
People.just take this in mind: When you are in the park...you have NO rights over the wildlife. The wildlife, whom ever it may be, has ALL the rights over you.

  I truly hope this doesn?t turn out to be a problem....in Maderas, this is a none issue.

 If you should see a trail closure or an area being set off, it is for the benefit of the bears,lions,havelinas,deer.

  We are ALL their guests..Regards.

Homero
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 07:08:05 PM »
Excellent post Hummero, you are indeed correct, we are only at the top of the food chain in a grocery store, in the WILD (Key Word), we are part of the food chain. :lol:  :lol:

When in anyones home you are expected to respect their home, so when I am in the Bears home I respect it. 8)  8)
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 08:40:51 PM »
A very well put post, Homero.  

In the Maderas it probably is a none issue.  At least in the early to mid '90's the bear in the del Carmens were afraid of man.  We saw scat but never a bear.

Al

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Offline Roy

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 09:15:45 AM »
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The best way to prevent it will be to remove as much development as is practical from the Basin.  If that is possible at all, it will engender quite a spirited debate.


So let's debate :)

I've thought about this some.  Remove the hotel/motel units;  leave the stone cabins (maybe for some type of day use), visitors center, campground as is;  restaurant and store??    Leave parking lot for hikers to access trail heads.  Build new lodge at PJ.  Would cast $$$, and they'd have to rework the water supply.

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Re: Not IF but WHEN
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 09:31:39 AM »
Quote from: "Roy"
Quote from: "okiehiker"

The best way to prevent it will be to remove as much development as is practical from the Basin.  If that is possible at all, it will engender quite a spirited debate.

So let's debate :)

I've thought about this some.  Remove the hotel/motel units;  leave the stone cabins (maybe for some type of day use), visitors center, campground as is;  restaurant and store??    Leave parking lot for hikers to access trail heads.  Build new lodge at PJ.  Would cast $$$, and they'd have to rework the water supply.

Start with the info here.  Just about anything's possible with enough money.  :?

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2006, 10:01:47 AM »
Guess what; I'm going to reserve the right to smack a mosquito if it's in the process of sucking valuable blood from my healthy body!
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Offline Roy

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2006, 10:52:57 AM »
Ants?

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2006, 01:16:36 PM »
Roy, why leave the campground as is?  Seems to me that is where the bears are gaining access to a lot of trash, leftover food, etc.

 


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