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A Lonely Place to be Buried

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Offline presidio

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 08:17:31 PM »
Permit - for what?  You need a permit to spread someone's ashes?  I don't believe anyone anywhere has ever been "cited" for not having a permit for that.  They just don't want people building memorials, putting up crosses, and making a gravesite out of it. 

No, they don't want anyone doing anything without them 'approving' of it. True, they don't want physical memorials, but they also DO NOT allow you to spread ashes without a permit. To wit:

From the general NPS regs--

TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
PART 2--RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION--Table of Contents
Sec. 2.62  Memorialization.
    (a) The installation of a monument, memorial, tablet, structure, or
other commemorative installation in a park area without the
authorization of the Director is prohibited.
    (b) The scattering of human ashes from cremation is prohibited,
except pursuant to the terms and conditions of a permit, or in
designated areas according to conditions which may be established by the
superintendent.
    (c) Failure to abide by area designations and established conditions
is prohibited.
    (d) Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued in
accordance with this section is prohibited and may result in the
suspension or revocation of the permit.

From the BIBE Superintendent's Compendium--

Pursuant to 36 CFR 1.6(f), the following is a list of activities for which a permit is required. Permits are issued by the Superintendent and may be subject to special requirements. Engaging in these activities without a permit, or violating the terms and conditions of a permit is prohibited.

Memorialization (scattering of human ashes) 2.62(b)

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 09:34:05 PM »
Permit - for what?  You need a permit to spread someone's ashes?... TWWG

Ah, TWWG, your reading assignment for this weekend is the proposed Superintendents Compendium for 2008.  Required reading material for all true benders.  You can learn where you can ride your skateboard at, when you can play tennis under the lights, etc.   :icon_lol:

and here is the Full Version for 2007
« Last Edit: February 01, 2008, 09:37:56 PM by SHANEA »

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Offline STARLITDARKNESS3

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2008, 05:30:23 PM »
I likely will choose to be taken to a location not yet revealed.  Like some of you, I would like it to be in an area where I love to hike and visit.  My mother, who has camped with me for years in Big Bend. She cannot make the trip up most of the high trails but has strict instructions of where she would like for me or one of us to take her ashes when the time arrives.  She has much love for the same area we love and, since I love my mother, will respect her request, permit or not.  She told me one day, "take me up there when I die, it's the only way I will make it there, and leave me."

Interesting finding this topic today, last night, we watched The Three burials of Melquiades Estrada. 
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Offline Goldilocks

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2008, 08:44:20 PM »
I am in complete agreement that cremation and scattering the cremains  is the way to go.  I wonder what happens if someone puts in their will where they want to be scattered and the park won't issue the permit?  What a waste of time and litigation, as well as very painful for the family of the person who has such a simple last request. 

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Offline Burn Ban

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2008, 09:31:55 PM »
while i am not personally a fan of cremation, i am not sure why anyone in his right mind would consider applying for a permit to spread ashes anywhere .  who in the world is going to know what you are doing; and, what are the chances someone is going to observe and cite you participating in unadvised remains distribution?  that is...as long as you don't post photos of yourself perpetrating such an act near a tent which has been set up in a "sensitive" zone.

and others sometimes ask me how i can be so repulsed by the institutions that govern. 

wow.

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Offline STARLITDARKNESS3

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2008, 09:40:25 PM »

Well, I do not think they will ask us to pick up the ashes after it's done. 
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Offline Al

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2008, 09:45:58 PM »
I doubt a hazmat team would need to be called in the event of an accidental spill.

Al

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Offline presidio

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2008, 12:52:37 AM »

Well, I do not think they will ask us to pick up the ashes after it's done. 

I wouldn't want to place a money bet on that.
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Offline STARLITDARKNESS3

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2008, 06:56:22 PM »

Well, I do not think they will ask us to pick up the ashes after it's done. 

I wouldn't want to place a money bet on that.

Nah, no bet, I'll save my money for the fine.  A promise is worth more.
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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2014, 11:43:07 AM »
while i am not personally a fan of cremation, i am not sure why anyone in his right mind would consider applying for a permit to spread ashes anywhere .  who in the world is going to know what you are doing; and, what are the chances someone is going to observe and cite you participating in unadvised remains distribution?  that is...as long as you don't post photos of yourself perpetrating such an act near a tent which has been set up in a "sensitive" zone.
Sorry to revive a long-dormant topic, but I heard some interesting info on cremation and scattering of remains this weekend. My father-in-law passed away over a week ago and the rep from the funeral home that performed his cremation was telling my wife that the cremains contain a metal disk with essentially a serial number, so that they can be tracked back to the funeral home, etc. He said he got tired of park rangers and other government officials asking for details so that he now just refuses to cooperate until they come back with a warrant. I'm not sure which park(s) have been contacting them, but it at least shows that some rangers somewhere are attempting to track down violators.

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2014, 12:17:10 PM »
Asking a rhetorical question here and not advocating breaking any rules, but why couldn't you just fish out the tag before scattering the ashes?

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2014, 01:07:06 PM »
Asking a rhetorical question here and not advocating breaking any rules, but why couldn't you just fish out the tag before scattering the ashes?

Im guessing many people don't know about that tag.
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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2014, 06:21:01 PM »
Asking a rhetorical question here and not advocating breaking any rules, but why couldn't you just fish out the tag before scattering the ashes?

Im guessing many people don't know about that tag.

We do now!   :eusa_whistle:
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Offline Juan Cuatro Lados

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2014, 07:51:29 AM »
"Go and play in the towns you have built of blocks,
the towns where you would have bound me,
For I sleep in the earth like a tired fox
And my buffalo surround me."

The Ballad of William Sycamore

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Offline dprather

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Re: A Lonely Place to be Buried
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2014, 10:44:40 AM »
My team is assembled.  My instructions to them are clear.  My spot is selected.  The plans include no permit.  "But not yet."

Geeze - what if every wilderness backpacking, Big Bend loving, cremation embracing person whose family did not insist on a little green plot actually did have their ashes scattered somewhere along the Dodson but 100 feet off the trail and not within 1/2 mile of a trailhead or historical/archaeological site? 

I guess that's why they have drones.

 
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

 


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