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Ward Mountain--need a photo

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Offline steelfrog

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Ward Mountain--need a photo
« on: January 03, 2012, 09:07:53 AM »
Good morning.  Could anyone give me a photo of Ward Mountain taken from the Basin?  Specifically, from the Lodge?  Thanks.

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 02:16:29 PM »
Ward Mountain is not visible from the Lodge. The peak labeled as Pt. 5875 is often mistaken for Ward Mountain, but Ward is farther west and south, across Cattail Canyon from the Basin.

In the photo below, taken from the summit of Casa Grande, Ward is the peak farthest to the right. Notice there is a foreground ridge right in front of it. This is the ridge between Pt. 6940 (visible in the photo) and Pt. 6847 (outside the frame to the right).
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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 05:10:29 PM »
That cannot be.  There's a sign at the Lodge on the porch showing a profile of the peaks surrounding the Basin, labeling the one near the Window as Ward mountain, 6925.

Also, on the park's Chisos Mountain Trails foldout map, there's a similar profile labeling that mountain Ward Mountain.  Does the NPS, or Friends of BB, or whoever made these things not know where Ward Mountain is?  Is that what you are saying?

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 05:19:43 PM »
That cannot be.  There's a sign at the Lodge on the porch showing a profile of the peaks surrounding the Basin, labeling the one near the Window as Ward mountain, 6925.

Also, on the park's Chisos Mountain Trails foldout map, there's a similar profile labeling that mountain Ward Mountain.  Does the NPS, or Friends of BB, or whoever made these things not know where Ward Mountain is?  Is that what you are saying?

The sign is inaccurate. While it has the correct elevation for Ward, it actually points to the unnamed peak in front of Ward, Pt. 6847. This unnamed peak is not even 100 feet shorter than Ward and a mile closer to the Basin (and thus the sign. I don't have the foldout map you reference in front of me, but if it includes Ward in the peak profile surrounding the Basin, then it is inaccurate, too. Check out the Trails Illustrated close-up of the Chisos Trails (on the back side of the map); it shows Ward correctly.
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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 05:43:16 PM »
Jeff is right (he usually is, although that will change after he's been married a year or so :icon_smile:) and the sign in the basin (Window View Trail) is wrong. It's wrongness goes beyond the ID of Ward Mountain, it's volcanic info is in question,
and it's placement is where a much better sign use to be. Now if you want to take the NPS/F.ofBiBe's word over Jeff's, USGS quads, and Google Earth's....??? I think it's a case of the typical visitor won't accept that a prominent peak within the eyesight of the basin hasn't been yet formally named, so it's just easier to call it Ward Mountain than call it Pt. 6847. Such a fib most likely prevents (OK, reduces) a torrent of mind numbing questions.
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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 06:11:59 PM »
I see the problem; that particular pic seems to have been taken outside the Basin--maybe from Green Gulch?  I was wanting a pic of Ward from the Basin itself--like from the porch of the Lodge, where you can eat.  The restaurant.  Thanks.

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 06:51:26 PM »
How about a little Google Earth from the porch of the restaurant?  ???


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Offline The Scorpion

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 07:00:25 PM »
here is one I have from Mt. Huffman, this is across the road from the Lost Mine parking area

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http://jamesb.smugmug.com/BigBendNationalPark/

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 07:14:23 PM »
Has anyone summited 6847; or got a pano from up there?  Has anyone walked Mystery Ridge?

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 08:16:53 PM »
This is the closest I have.

This one is taken from the Colima trail looking back towards Laguna West. Ward Mountain is hidden by Pt. 7070'(far left) and Pt. 6940' is in the middle-right part of the photo.



This one was taken from about 300 yds SSE of Pt. 6940' along the ridge that leads to Pt. 6847'. The view is NW down the canyon that runs between Pt. 7070' and 6940' and connects to the lower section of Cattail Canyon via Laguna Falls (N29.26781 W103.32461)


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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 08:26:14 PM »
A picture of this mysterious Ward Mountain; it is famous and on park literature etc.; figures prominently in signage in the Basin; and yet no one can find a picture of it or has visited it.  It is the mountain version of a yeti.  Credibility is at stake here...

Case in point--your pics you say, well, it's over there hidden by this.  And the other guy says it's hidden by that.  WHY IS IT HIDING?!  Why would a mountain nobody can see be given a name?

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 08:49:52 PM »
Last one. If this does not satisfy your curiosity, you could always hike out and take your own photo eh? :icon_wink:

Oh, by the way, it is overlooking Ward Spring. Ward Mountain and Ward Spring are named after Johhnie Ward, a cowboy who worked on the G-4 Ranch owned by James B. Gillett prior to the purchase by Homer Wilson. Ward Mtn is visible from the ranch, not the Basin.

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« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 08:58:50 PM by badknees »
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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2012, 09:07:22 PM »
Yeah there is a lot of misleading information out there on NPS signs.  Last time I checked Ward Mtn was part of a Granitic Pluton and not a Stratovolcano on the Pacific Rim.   Guess they needed to blend Mt St Helens in somehow for dramatic effect.  But the name Ward Mtn also seems to be used for a general area rather than a specific peak.  Somewhere I saw an old ~1950's vintage trail map with a "Ward Mtn Trail" marked along the ridgecrest that starts near the LW1 Campsite.  You can find trail fragments of this trail but it's overgrown with cactus and hard to follow.   TWWG

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2012, 10:59:23 PM »
A picture of this mysterious Ward Mountain; it is famous and on park literature etc.; figures prominently in signage in the Basin; and yet no one can find a picture of it or has visited it.  It is the mountain version of a yeti.  Credibility is at stake here...

Case in point--your pics you say, well, it's over there hidden by this.  And the other guy says it's hidden by that.  WHY IS IT HIDING?!  Why would a mountain nobody can see be given a name?

It is on the left and not hiding behind anything. It is a very prominent peak, just not from within the Basin.

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Re: Ward Mountain--need a photo
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 09:39:18 AM »
None of these are from the Basin.

I found this on-line; is Ward in here?

http://www.lancesnead.com/zoom/ChisosBasin_Pano_03.html

 


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