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Big Bend National Park Q&A => Big Bend Photographs => Topic started by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 09:42:13 AM

Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
Some rainy Sunday morning fun! Some are easy, some are not.....I guess they're all easy if you've been there, right? :lol:

1)
 (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2104.jpg)

2)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2026.jpg)

3)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2245.jpg)

4)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2270.jpg)

5)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2233.jpg)

6)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/100_0954.jpg)

Have fun! :D
Title: TOO EASY
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 11:40:07 AM
That is too easy Muse.  I got all of them right.  Didn't even have to look at the pics.

Q-West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?" for $1000 Alex.
 
A-What is West of the Pecos.

You are West of the Pecos in the West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region....

 8)
Title: Re: TOO EASY
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
That is too easy Muse.  I got all of them right.  Didn't even have to look at the pics.

Q-West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?" for $1000 Alex.
 
A-What is West of the Pecos.

You are West of the Pecos in the West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region....

 8)



AWWWWW take a shot at them! :lol:

This should be like "Cliff Claven" on Jeopardy for you! :D
Title: OK.
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 02:00:42 PM
1.  Down the strip, downtown, Fort Davis (trees on the opposite side of the street gave it away)
2.  Fort Davis National Historic Park
3.  Indian Lodge, Davis Mountains
4.  Desert Institute Fort Davis
5.  Art Studio hangers at Marfa
6.  Road to Mt. Locke?
Title: Sunday quiz
Post by: Joe on July 02, 2006, 02:12:15 PM
Okay, I'll give it a try, too...

1. Marathon
2. Fort Stockton
3. Courtyard of Indian Lodge at Davis Mountains State Park
4. El Fort?n de C?bolo, Cibolo Creek Ranch
5. Chinati Foundation, Marfa
6. View of Mt. Livermore and Sawtooth from McDonald Observatory

You never told us what the prizes are... :lol:
Title: Re: Sunday quiz
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
Okay, I'll give it a try, too...


No fair Alpine Joe, you live in the West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend Region, you probably saw the pictures posted this morning, hoped in the car/truck, and headed out to verify the pictures.   8)
Title: Re: Sunday quiz
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
Okay, I'll give it a try, too...

1. Marathon
2. Fort Stockton
3. Courtyard of Indian Lodge at Davis Mountains State Park
4. El Fort?n de C?bolo, Cibolo Creek Ranch
5. Chinati Foundation, Marfa
6. View of Mt. Livermore and Sawtooth from McDonald Observatory

You never told us what the prizes are... :lol:


Oh, you're GOOD! VERY GOOD!  :D

Hell, I didn't even know it was called "El Fortin" at Cibolo......

The prizes? Hmmmm......

Dinner on Muse! :D  (NO, not ON Muse, paid for by!)
Title: Re: OK.
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
1.  Down the strip, downtown, Fort Davis (trees on the opposite side of the street gave it away)
2.  Fort Davis National Historic Park
3.  Indian Lodge, Davis Mountains
4.  Desert Institute Fort Davis
5.  Art Studio hangers at Marfa
6.  Road to Mt. Locke?



A GALLANT effort, to say the least! :D

Lunch on Muse for second place! 8)
Title: BUT...
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 03:16:57 PM
What do I win? :P

CROSS POST!

Ok, I'll take the prize of lunch on muse.  Pick me up at lunch on Tuesday and we'll celebrate the 4th up here.  Good fireworks that night.
Title: ARE U SURE?
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 03:25:42 PM
Are you sure #1 is not Fort Davis?  I could swear that it is....  I was kinda "following the road" - figured that this was on the way type of pics.  Are you sure #2 is NOT Fort Davis???  Figured that was a giveaway.  

When were you @ Cibolo Muse?
Title: Re: ARE U SURE?
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 04:50:21 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Are you sure #1 is not Fort Davis?  I could swear that it is....  I was kinda "following the road" - figured that this was on the way type of pics.  Are you sure #2 is NOT Fort Davis???  Figured that was a giveaway.  

When were you @ Cibolo Muse?



Yes my friend, I am sure..... :)

I was at Cibolo last Oct with the study tour I was on....neat place, they did a great job restoring the Fort! Lots of historical memorabilia and antiques too. You can actually climb through to the top of the tower via this lil trap door thingy and some rickety stairs!
The chapel is beautiful too, very tiny, but lovely! :D
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: Windchime on July 02, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
Y'all need to come to StudyButte Tuesday night for fireworks...we will probably be shooting around $800 worth off....just past the Study Butte Mall on the left as you are leaving the park. Has been a traditon for some years.  Last year a motar blew up in the tube...was surprised how fast my mustache grew back...sight and hearing took a bit longer :D
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
OK, Mr. Smarty Pants Alpine Joe! :lol:

Gimme whatcha GOT! :wink:

1)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/StudyTour2116.jpg)

2)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/seminole003.jpg)

3)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/padme919/lajitas5-7-04001.jpg)
Title: Re: ARE U SURE?
Post by: Joe on July 02, 2006, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Are you sure #1 is not Fort Davis...Are you sure #2 is not Fort Davis?


The book sign in #1 gave it away - Front Street Books (http://www.fsbooks.com) has a store in Marathon in addition to the one in Alpine.

And if you look at the background in #2, you can see it's not Fort Davis - Fort Stockton: The Fort (http://www.tourtexas.com/fortstockton/ftstockfort.html)
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: Windchime on July 02, 2006, 06:38:53 PM
Study Butte...a rock with a fossel in the desert... the Catholic Church in OJ...you have to bring the steaks next time :D
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: Windchime on July 02, 2006, 06:39:37 PM
Uhhh..was I right??? :)
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: "Windchime"
Study Butte...a rock with a fossel in the desert... the Catholic Church in OJ...you have to bring the steaks next time :D


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

It would be my pleasure to bring the steaks, wine, and ranch style beans! :D

The first one was correct, the second one, well kinda sorta, and the third....no Swisher Sweet! 8)
Title: My turn
Post by: Joe on July 02, 2006, 08:05:05 PM
My turn! My turn!

1. Study Butte
2. Fossil in Cretaceous Limestone, Seminole Canyon State Park
3. Facade of Hotel Paisano, Marfa
Title: Re: My turn
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 08:17:18 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
My turn! My turn!

1. Study Butte
2. Fossil in Cretaceous Limestone, Seminole Canyon State Park
3. Facade of Hotel Paisano, Marfa


OK, WHERE in Seminole Canyon? (you already have your dinner, BTW 8) )
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 08:19:23 PM
Sheesh, I'm gonna hafta buy me a big @ss bovine to supply all of these steaks! :lol:
Title: Where
Post by: Joe on July 02, 2006, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
OK, WHERE in Seminole Canyon?


How about on the trail into Fate Bell Shelter...?
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: Roy on July 02, 2006, 08:33:19 PM
You two are gonna be hell to beat when they come out with "Trivial Pursuit-West Texas".  However, Seminole Canyon is East of the Pecos.
Title: Re: Where
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
OK, WHERE in Seminole Canyon?


How about on the trail into Fate Bell Shelter...?


NOPE, not on the trail....

It's actually within the shelter itself! :D

So, you owe me a beer....but you still have your steak! :lol:
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 02, 2006, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: "Roy"
You two are gonna be hell to beat when they come out with "Trivial Pursuit-West Texas".  However, Seminole Canyon is East of the Pecos.


Excellent Point! :D

The originals were all West, but I had to rummage through my photos to try and find something to stump Senor Smarty Pantalones! :lol:

Hey, when are they coming out with that game, anyway?
Title: Figured...
Post by: SHANEA on July 02, 2006, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: "Windchime"
for fireworks...


I figured ya'll were under a burn ban and a fireworks ban out that way? :oops:
Title: Re: TOO EASY
Post by: EdB on July 02, 2006, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
You are West of the Pecos in the West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region....

 8)


I know this is off-topic, but I've been wondering this for awhile. Why do you refer to the area as West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region, instead of just Big Bend region? Aren't the other words just kinda redundant? I mean, Big Bend is in W. Texas, so is there some reason the W. Texas part is included?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic or snarky or smart-a**ed either, I'm really just curious. Is it just a Texas thing that I'm not getting?
Title: Trans-Pecos Region of Texas
Post by: Al on July 02, 2006, 11:53:26 PM
The Trans-Pecos reference does have meaning; some of it geologic, some of vegatation, some historic.  Here's a good discussion:

 http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/campmor/boot_manual.jsp

Al
Title: Re: Trans-Pecos Region of Texas
Post by: chisos_muse on July 03, 2006, 07:01:52 AM
Quote from: "Al"
The Trans-Pecos reference does have meaning; some of it geologic, some of vegatation, some historic.  Here's a good discussion:

 http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/campmor/boot_manual.jsp

Al


Hey Al, Ya got me all ready to edumacate myself and I got a hiking boot thingy! :lol:
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: chisos_muse on July 03, 2006, 07:07:22 AM
I think this link gives a generalized explanation....

http://explore.tpwd.state.tx.us/bb/bb.htm


But giving it some thought, I think that "Trans Pecos" involves a bit more than the Big Bend area.....it is more of a regional description.
Title: Close Enough
Post by: Al on July 03, 2006, 09:19:31 AM
Gave the Trans-Pecos thing the Boot!   :lol:

Don't know how I did that but I did.  Meant to cut and paste this link:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/TT/ryt2.html

Al
Title: West of the Pecos...."Where Am I?"
Post by: Roy on July 03, 2006, 10:22:11 AM
To me, "West of the Pecos"  refers to an area that was difficult to access and govern from the population centers in central and east Texas.  Few Anglos lived there until the late 1870s when the Comanche were finally defeated at Palo Duro Canyon;  the first railroad was the Southern Pacific line completed in 1883.  Judge Roy Bean, The Law West of the Pecos, was actually hired by the Southern Pacific to maintain order while the railroad was being built.  Ties to Mexico and the American Southwest remained stronger that ties to Austin for a long time.  Discovery of oil in the Permian Basin did a lot to change that.

The Big Bend area basically extends roughly from around Sanderson to Alpine down to Presidio;  a large part of the southern Trans-Pecos.

This is pretty much a subjective opinion based on my own reading, etc..
Joe could probably give you a lot more facts.
Title: Trans-Pecos
Post by: Joe on July 03, 2006, 10:40:17 AM
Quote from: "Roy"
This is pretty much a subjective opinion based on my own reading, etc..  Joe could probably give you a lot more facts.


Nope, nothing to add...I think your description is right on.  I'm headed east of the Pecos today...got to go collect my steak dinner from Chisos_Muse and PJ Jon   :D
Title: Re: TOO EASY
Post by: SHANEA on July 03, 2006, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: "EdB"
..refer to the area as West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region


Quote
It rolls off the tongue nicely.   It looks "neat" in print.  It Kinda sings - kinda like "Provo's Privy" (What Movie?).  Heck, I don't know.  Thanks for asking. (I'm glad someone asked!)  :D  I'm not sure if I made it up or borrowed it from someone or read it somewhere.  Knowing me, I made it up.    It actually covers three regions - "West Texas" - to me anything West I-35 (DFW/Austin/San Antonio) - "Trans Pecos" - the Trans Pecos region of Texas - encompassing the area West of the Pecos River - and of course the "Big Bend Region" - the area of West Texas down near the bend in the river.  Yea, it's probably redundant - but as I said - I like the way it rolls off the tongue and since I type fast I can type it out in no time.  It conveys a "feeling" that I get when heading West from East.  One of the great things about living in East Texas is that when I go West I get to traverse most of the ecoregions of Texas - all except the coastal.
Doing a Google search on "west texas trans pecos big bend region" I find only no occurances, so I'll claim it as my origional :idea:
Title: Re: Trans-Pecos
Post by: Roy on July 03, 2006, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: "Joe"
Quote from: "Roy"
This is pretty much a subjective opinion based on my own reading, etc..  Joe could probably give you a lot more facts.


Nope, nothing to add...I think your description is right on.  I'm headed east of the Pecos today...got to go collect my steak dinner from Chisos_Muse and PJ Jon   :D


Driving 300+ miles for a steak;  no place but Texas :D

Hope the weather holds out for you;  this mess we're getting on the coast is supposed spread into the Hill Country later today.
Title: Re: Trans-Pecos
Post by: SHANEA on July 03, 2006, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: "Joe"
I'm headed east of the Pecos today...


Ah, heading to the Central Texas Region.  I'd say come on up and enjoy the fireworks show, but it is a long haul from there to here, especially on a holiday weekend.  Be careful of all the idgets on the road - I also hear that DPS is running it hard - dang near had a head on with one on the last most excellent adventure - somewhere West of DFW of was running the other side and decided to do a "flip" - he was a little over zealous and came bouncing out of the median right at me - I had to lock em up - he swung it around and went off to get his quota.  Really PO'd me.     Keep a sharp eye out for BDann and his brother KDann driving that aquamarine pickup, although they are not scheduled to head home until the 4th....
Title: Re: Figured...
Post by: Windchime on July 03, 2006, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "Windchime"
for fireworks...


I figured ya'll were under a burn ban and a fireworks ban out that way? :oops:


Someone has checked with the Sheriff's Office and were told that what we intended to shoot was legal. Have not heard of the county putting a ban in place. I checked the area papers last week online and there was no mention of a ban on fireworks that I could find.
Title: Houston Chronicle...
Post by: SHANEA on July 03, 2006, 03:08:42 PM
Article in this weekends Houston Chronicle paper regarding how Fire Cracker vendors were trying to sue regarding firework bans in certain locales.  

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/4016960.html

One good quote from the article was
Quote
"There's nothing patriotic about burning down people's houses," Diamond said.
Title: Re: Close Enough
Post by: Al on July 04, 2006, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: "Al"
Gave the Trans-Pecos thing the Boot!   :lol:

Don't know how I did that but I did.  Meant to cut and paste this link:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/TT/ryt2.html

Al


Here's an interesting part of the extremely long TSHA article:

The combination of clear skies, high altitudes, and southerly location enable the Trans-Pecos to receive the highest mean annual solar radiation of any location within the United States (data from faulty sensors had previously placed the maximum at China Lake, California, in the Mojave Desert). At lower elevations in the Rio Grande valley below Candelaria some of the highest temperatures in the United States are frequently recorded. In general, the Trans-Pecos exhibits some of the highest average maximum temperatures found in Texas during the winter (second only to the Gulf Coast) and some of the lowest average temperatures in summer (second only to the Panhandleqv). Large diurnal ranges are common in all seasons, and frosts occur frequently in winter, even at low elevations. Aridity imposes a major constraint on vegetation in the Trans-Pecos. Soils, topography, temperatures, and precipitation variations impose secondary controls that produce significant variations in vegetation from place to place within the region. Desert grassland, the most widespread vegetation type, occupies the lowlands between about 3,600 feet and 4,600 feet. Desert shrubs, particularly creosote bush, occupy the lowest elevations, and there are indications that this type of vegetation has been expanding upslope throughout the region as a result of grassland disturbance over the last 100 years. At higher elevations the desert grassland grades into open woodland. Dense woodland is generally restricted to the higher elevations of the Davis and Guadalupe ranges. Scattered throughout the region are smaller areas of riparian, holophytic, and other vegetation types adapted to specific site conditions. Upland soils are generally shallow and unproductive. Even the deeper alluvial soils of the basins are frequently too saline to be very productive. The Rio Grande is the world's twentieth largest river in volume, the fifth largest in North America, and the only significant surface stream in the Trans-Pecos.