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Caution: Snake Watchers MAY be Targets of Strict Enforcement

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Offline Roy

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Caution: Snake Watchers MAY be Targets of Strict Enforcement
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2007, 09:18:04 AM »
Maybe it was just coincidence, but on 2 succesive trips to BB in 2003-4, I ran into collecters;  the ones I talked to said they were from California.  They all said they weren't collecting inside the national park but several told me that collecting was legal along the other roads, even in the State Park (I reported those guys).  After talking to a couple of people in the Study Butte area, I got the definite impression that there was a lot of collecting going on, most on private land.  But the way some were "not talking about it", I think they were choosing to turn a blind eye to what was going on.

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Offline Daryl

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Caution: Snake Watchers MAY be Targets of Strict Enforcement
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2007, 09:56:15 AM »
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Maybe it was just coincidence, but on 2 succesive trips to BB in 2003-4, I ran into collecters;  the ones I talked to said they were from California.  They all said they weren't collecting inside the national park but several told me that collecting was legal along the other roads, even in the State Park (I reported those guys).
You were right to report them since you suspected their behavior was illegal.  HOWEVER, it has been ruled that the paved roads through the BBRSP and Back Gap WMA are public roads and NOT park roads (all the roads in BBNP are park roads).  As such, herping along those public roads is legal (or was, prior to HB12, but that is another story).
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After talking to a couple of people in the Study Butte area, I got the definite impression that there was a lot of collecting going on, most on private land.
There is a lot of collecting in this area.  People come here from all over the world to enjoy the native reptiles.  However, VERY little of the local herping is on private land.  Most herpers prefer to go out looking on moonless nights.  Attempting that in this region is very dangerous (I know because I often do so on MY private land).  That being said the state of Texas is now pushing herpers toward hunting on private lands by closing the roads to collecting and encouraging the use of private property.  If TPWD gets their way, I predict this will result in a fatality within the next 12 months.  BTW, herping has been popular in west Texas for 60 years and there are ZERO known cases of traffic accidents or injuries (other than minor slip and falls and a few non-fatal snake bites -those minor injuries and snake bites could have been fatal if the herpers hadn't been within a few feet of their vehicles).
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Stopped by two game wardens
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2007, 09:11:47 PM »
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1342772,1342772

Selected quotes.  See all the neat pics, etc. at the above URL.  Nice pic of a lightning strike too.

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We continued on and were soon stopped by two game wardens while walking the bottom of the cut. The questions and exchange of words between the wardens was brief. They wanted to make their presence known and for us to be aware that they were now enforcing the new law. They were very polite, not giving us any kind of warning and making it an overall nice situation. They said goodbye to us and then talked to Rob who was further down the cut. They were equally as nice to him. With that over with, we continued to comb the cut for most of the night. It wasn’t but an hour later when the warden showed up again. Again he was polite, asking the same questions as before but seemed real determined to catch us doing something that would violate the new law.
He left and again we pressed on. A short time passed and Rob observed another large trans-pecos ratsnake (Bogertophis s. subocularis) crawling at the base of the cut. We took a few pictures and it went on its way. We walked the entire cut a few more times and then decided to head in for the night.


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Black gap was busy that night, seeing 4 or 5 other cars in a single pass.

 


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