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Homer was an industrious guy

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Offline Quixote Kid

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2013, 03:59:44 PM »

You are our resident windmill expert Quixote Kid.  I'd be interested in what you find out..

Expert is a kind description. I'm usually called much worse.  :icon_wink:

First thanks for posting the patent and that online book! I really enjoy reading about that kind of stuff.

I'm extremely interested in this pump and after reading and studying the patent I think I understand what's going on.

Basically this is replacing a stuffing box. For a windmill, a stuffing box is only needed if you are trying to push water. If the water is simply going into a tank, pond, etc right next to the windmill the water simply pours out of the stand pipe. If you are trying to push it, you need to have a seal (stuffing box) around the sucker rod (pump rod). This would be the reverse of an inboard boat that is trying to keep the water out of the boat while the drive shaft passes through the bottom of the boat.

Stuffing boxes and pumps on windmills rely on the well being directly under the tower. There is also a limitation to how much pressure you can put on them. It's easy to push water with a windmill/stuffing box horizontally but if you try to push it uphill, there is a pressure limitation.

With Homer's patent the pump has to be directly under the windmill but the water pumped from the side and not directly under the tower. For example, pumping out of tank or pond that sits near but not under the tower. The other advantage is that it appears you can pump uphill with higher pressures due to the way the valve is set after the windmill and not at it.

Now that I understand this better, I would like to try and build one of these pumps. Maybe this winter when I don't have anything to do, I'll try this. In fact, I'll be installing a windmill at our cabin on Terlingua Ranch and was looking at a way to pump collect rain water uphill to a storage tank. I was gonna use a traditional stuffing box, but it sure would be more fitting to pump uphill with a Homer Wilson patented pump.

Lastly y'all have quite the eye for finding those images via google earth. Thanks for posting those, I'd like to find one or two of them during a future trip.

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2013, 04:57:33 PM »
Great explanation! I knew you were an expert on windmills.  :notworthy:
You should share the results of your windmill project later.

All this hunting for Homer Wilson stuff got me trying to figure out exactly which sections Homer purchased from 1929-1934, so we could narrow down the search.  On the Texas General Land Office website they have an interactive map that you can overlay the historical sections onto.  Below are his sections, with some of the geographical features, trails, canyons, springs etc contained within.  He arguably had some of the best land in Big Bend if you ask me. 

Block G4
14 Cattail Falls Road
15 Vernon Bailey Peak
17 Blacktail Peak, Middle Cattail Canyon, Bryan's Falls
19 Section west of Ward Spring
20 Western Chisos Mountains
21 Ward Mountain, Upper Cattail Canyon, Dam, Pt 6935, Pt 7070
22 Laguna Meadow Trail, Pt 6940
23 Blue Creek Canyon, Laguna Meadow
24 Upper Cattail Canyon,  Pt 7077, Pt 7150
26 Blue Creek Canyon, Cedar Spring
27 Section north of the Blue Creek Ranch
28 Blue Creek Ranch, Carousel Mountain
29 Sotol Vista Overlook
30 Section northwest of Blue Creek Ranch, Burro Mesa
31 Burro Mesa, Javelina Wash, Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
32 Burro Mesa, Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
71 Burro Mesa
72 Burro Mesa Pouroff
74 Section west of Sotol Vista Overlook
76 Burro Mesa Pouroff Road
78 Burro Mesa
108 Burro Mesa, Burro Spring
110 Chimneys Trail, Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
111 Kit Mountain, Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive
112 Goat Mountain, Wasp Spring
113 Kit Mountain, Chimneys Trail
114 Pasture north of Section 113
115 Tule Spring
146 Section west of Tule Spring
148 The Chimneys
150 Kit Mountain
152 Red Ass Spring
154 South Tule Mountain
188 Bee Mountain, Bee Spring
266 South of Carousel Mountain
269 Goat Mountain, Blue Creek
270 Goat Mountain, Goat Mountain Spring
271 Goat Mountain
325 Pt 5917 (Picacho Peak), Pt 5890, Dodson Trail
483 Oak Spring, The Window, Carter Peak, Cattail Falls, Lower Cattail Canyon
485 Ward Spring
Block 1   
18 Smoky Spring
Block 10   
30 Boot Spring, Emory Peak Trail, Colima Trail, Boot Canyon, Boot Rock, Townsend Point, Juniper Canyon Trail

Here are the Homer Wilson related locations found so far..

Oak Spring Headquarters Site -Mail Order House (29.282724, -103.342034) - Section 483
Blue Creek Canyon Dam (29.231850, -103.330210) - Section 24
Upper Cattail Canyon Dam (29.246093, -103.331378) - Section 21
Dam (29.189130, -103.362690) - Section 266
Water Tank (29.217526, -103.366841) - Section 27
Water Tank & Windmill (29.238930, -103.376411) - Section 31
Blue Creek Ranch (29.214363, -103.366459) - Section 28
Corral (29.214081, -103.365974) - Section 28
Dipping Vat and Chute (29.214381, -103.365586) - Section 28

Two more places of interest I found on Homer Wilson owned sections.
Trough??? (29.238813, -103.377741) - Section 31
Pipe or just a long rock?? (29.185470, -103.391797) - Section 270

Also of interest, the Texas General Land Office has some of the original land patent applications and surveys, which have been scanned into PDFs.  Here's one for Section 483 which Reverand Hoban had surveyed in 1880 that contains "Ojo de los Chisos" which was later called Oak Spring.  Pretty cool stuff!
« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 10:25:49 AM by lsnead »

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2013, 05:39:15 PM »
Here's another that is probably Homer's
N29.18913 W103.36270 (dam)

Here is one that probably isn't Homer's, maybe Sam Nail's? (Tank)
N29.31646 W103.41922
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Offline Lance

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2013, 06:03:16 PM »
Here's another that is probably Homer's
N29.18913 W103.36270 (dam)

Here is one that probably isn't Homer's, maybe Sam Nail's? (Tank)
N29.31646 W103.41922

Got the first one, hadn't seen the second.  It's on section 82 and close to some Sam Nail sections.
Could probably find out for sure if I could find the deed.
Anyone know how do I go about finding digital scans of historical deeds for Brewster County?

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2013, 07:07:19 PM »
Wonderful sleuthing Lance!

Here's one for Section 483 which Reverand Hoban had surveyed in 1880 that contains "Ojo de los Chisos" which was later called Oak Spring.  Pretty cool stuff!

Hope that's not blood-splatter on page 17...  :icon_eek:
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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2013, 07:14:32 PM »
Lance, did you get the location of Double Mills and my wild guess of the Shearing Pens?

Update: Looks like you already had it!  :great:
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Water Tank & Windmill (29.238930, -103.376411) - Section 31
« Last Edit: August 26, 2013, 08:12:37 PM by Flash »

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 08:05:47 PM »

Two more places of interest I found on Homer Wilson owned sections.
Trough??? (29.238813, -103.377741) - Section 31


Lance, I will go check this out and report back what it is. I will be out there in a few days

Trough??? (29.238813, -103.377741) - Section 31
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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2013, 09:27:58 PM »
Lance, did you get the location of Double Mills and my wild guess of the Shearing Pens?

Update: Looks like you already had it!  :great:
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Water Tank & Windmill (29.238930, -103.376411) - Section 31

Ahh yes, I had seen that before.  I need to read that book, would probably answer most of these questions.  Thanks for sharing that again.
That post also reminded me of the Carousel Mountain/Signal Peak post.  I wonder if it was called that because it had some sort of 'sign' up top?  I'm curious to what those drill holes Cookie and El Hombre found up top were about and if it could be related to the name 'Signal'.  Just a thought..


Two more places of interest I found on Homer Wilson owned sections.
Trough??? (29.238813, -103.377741) - Section 31


Lance, I will go check this out and report back what it is. I will be out there in a few days

Trough??? (29.238813, -103.377741) - Section 31

Get'r done! and some pics too.  Of course have fun!

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2013, 09:41:48 PM »
It is highly likely that I will also provide some pictures of some new places in the very near future........
Not all those who wander are lost.
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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2013, 10:10:15 PM »
I haven't seen this old mill and tank mentioned yet.
29 8'53.89"N 10323'45.62"W

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2013, 10:16:24 PM »
Maybe I should read the image posting instructions again.
Until then, pictures are here.
https://plus.google.com/photos/107087724263984369364/albums/5838720732385163617?authkey=CJC1lN2yoKWA4wE

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2013, 10:30:40 PM »
Wait 'till Quixote Kid sees them there pictures!  :shock:
Possum, tell us, did you drop any pebbles down the well?  :eusa_eh: 
 

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2013, 10:55:01 PM »
Just a couple :eusa_eh: did not hear a splash.

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2013, 08:13:43 AM »
Very nice pictures! You are right that there was a windmill there, as you can see the anchor posts that are still left in the ground around the well head. Also the sucker rod (pump rod).

I'm surprised that the NPS has left the well head uncovered.

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Re: Homer was an industrious guy
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2013, 10:23:52 PM »
Here is an interesting spot......
N29.282645 W103.058307
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