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Offline okiehiker

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Jose Galindo
« on: January 02, 2015, 01:49:28 PM »
Home from my first BIBE trip in five years. I'll post a brief trip report from our short trip that was truncated by the ice storm in a couple of days, but I want to share an experience and find out if anyone else has had a negative encounter with Ranger Jose Galindo.

Before our trip we had placed our packs at the Dog Canyon Trailhead while we shuttled our vehicles to our ending at K-Bar. We had just obtained our permit at PJ and took roughly 2 hours to make the shuttle. Ranger Jose Galindo confiscated all of our gear (7 neatly packed packs) while we were making the shuttle.  A tourist who was at the trailhead when the ranger arrived said he was rude and dismissive, kicked at our packs and then began going through all of the pockets. While I tried to contact various ranger stations my nephews drove to Persimmon Gap and found that indeed our gear had been taken. Galindo made them wait two hours and issued two citations for "abandoned property." It is a long story, but the guy was a complete ass, demanded that my nephews and their wives keep their hands still, and kept his hand on his gun the entire time. He threatened to cite my seven year old great nieces and other things. He has no business working for the NPS. I would like anyone who has experienced his inappropriate behavior to please report it to the chief ranger and park superintendent. Anyone else deal with this guy or was he just hung over?
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline Buck

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 02:05:17 PM »
Wow.  Did you leave a note on the packs indicating your course of action?
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 02:28:13 PM »
Homer67 mentioned that name in his October 2012 trip report.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 02:53:17 PM »
These reports are becoming alarmingly common lately...

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2015, 04:00:41 PM »
This really pisses me off.  He harassed my brother a couple of years ago for making an honest mistake at being in the wrong campsite. I believe he was supposed to be at pg3, but was at pg2. Same story of dismissive, rude behavior. When he complained to the park about it, they told him he could file a complaint, but to be prepared to come all the back out at any time before the judge. If that wasn't discouraging enough, he was also told nothing would likely be done about it. Since my brother is of meager means, he just dropped the whole thing, which I suspect is the case most of the time.  I wouldn't mind spending a small fortune to take somebody like that to task.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2015, 04:06:53 PM »
find out if anyone else has had a negative encounter with Ranger Jose Galindo.

Not with this guy, but I've had two encounters (years apart) with two other funny hatters at Big Bend that bespoke of dismissive, ignorant, overbearing attitudes.

In neither case was I even remotely close to violating anything. Nor was there anything out of place or odd to arouse any level of suspicion. However, in both cases, these grossly inept employees approached me and my companions with firmly established assumptions that we were behaving in a manner contrary to their liking/rules.

In both instances I was sitting in backcountry campsites minding my own business.

The first case involved a mostly irritating, ham-handed approach where it was clear the funny hatter fully assumed I was camping illegally without the requisite backcountry permit. When I asserted that I not only had said permit but that he had walked a mere 6 inches from it as he passed the corner of my windshield and would have seen it if he had taken the time to look, there was the typical uh-oh moment as the funny hatter went through the "how do I backtrack this and not look stupid" moment. A mildly entertaining tap dance ensued as funny hatter was unable to not look stupid.

What would cause this kind of behavior? Well, I suspect this funny hatter must occasionally have encountered such "crimes" in progress and simply decided that everyone must be a violator. Not a real bright way to go about business. In retrospect, this was a relatively benign event; but it should not have happened.

The second case (different funny hatter) was less benign and involved a blunt and aggressive accusation that there were too many people and vehicles at another backcountry campsite.

Facts of this "case":
a) Said backcountry campsite also is a trailhead and there is no delineation between camping and parking areas.
b) No known administrative limit on how many vehicles may be parked for hiking purposes (there is of course a physical space limit).
c) Accusation of the "violation" occurred around 1 pm.
d) There were indeed a number of vehicles present as several of us were meeting campers there to socialize.
e) Camping "hours" is not defined in the Compendium (one of many faults exhibited by said extraordinarily poorly written document). Nor are camping "hours" defined anywhere that I can find in the NPS regulations. However, the Compendium does say "Quiet hours for all designated camping areas are from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m." Now, since that is the only definition it can be assumed (and the NPS would have to convincingly show otherwise by regulations that don't exist) that occupancy of campsites during that time frame constitutes "camping" and presence outside those hours does not. (Oh great, now I've given them a reason to add more rules).

Now, reasonable folks can quibble about item "e," and even I could accept a premise (not shown by the regulations) that being in a backcountry campsite after 6 pm would be a strong indicator of an intent to "camp."

However, being in a combined backcountry campsite/trail head in the early afternoon stretches credulity that anyone could/would construe that as "camping."

Yet, this is exactly what funny hatter decided to do and he immediately launched into a scathing lecture about how we all were subject to being ticketed for violating the rules.

Of course, as in the first instance, all this ugliness and "stupid in public" display by the funny hatter could have been avoided if he only had taken the time to inquire rather than accuse. When the extremely rude and uncalled for lambasting was over, the funny hatter then learned that there indeed was no violation and that the excess vehicles/people merely were visiting during the middle of the day. After a few seconds of uncomfortable silence, the funny hatter abruptly and quickly left the site.

Once again, there was no "not looking stupid" escape route. Today, I regret that I did not immediately go to Panther Junction to file a formal complaint.

One thing is for sure, some funny hatters involved in enforcement truly are extremely unprofessional idiots and do not understand their agency's regulations. But, they zealously enforce them whether they understand them or not. It calls into question their suitability for doing enforcement work.

Two widely separated cases of engaging mouth before brain, yet both demonstrating behavior that is not the rare anomaly it should be, as we see yet again in your circumstance.

(It further begs the question of what would they do if you were hiking after dark, with your vehicle in such a combined site?...there is no restriction on hiking, just "camping". I have hiked to Guadalupe Peak starting at 2 am...under a full moon...not camping, arriving in the park at 2 am and immediately hiking out).

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Before our trip we had placed our packs at the Dog Canyon Trailhead while we shuttled our vehicles to our ending at K-Bar. We had just obtained our permit at PJ and took roughly 2 hours to make the shuttle. Ranger Jose Galindo confiscated all of our gear (7 neatly packed packs) while we were making the shuttle.  A tourist who was at the trailhead when the ranger arrived said he was rude and dismissive, kicked at our packs and then began going through all of the pockets. While I tried to contact various ranger stations my nephews drove to Persimmon Gap and found that indeed our gear had been taken. Galindo made them wait two hours and issued two citations for "abandoned property." It is a long story, but the guy was a complete ass, demanded that my nephews and their wives keep their hands still, and kept his hand on his gun the entire time. He threatened to cite my seven year old great nieces and other things. He has no business working for the NPS. I would like anyone who has experienced his inappropriate behavior to please report it to the chief ranger and park superintendent. Anyone else deal with this guy or was he just hung over?

And, here you have a third demonstration of brainless action. Buck asked it you had left a note. While that might have been advisable, it was unnecessary.

Refer to the Compendium: "Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours is prohibited except for motor vehicles with displayed BC permit numbers parked at trailheads, along road side for zone camping, and river access points."

In order for property to be deemed unattended, there must be a basis for that determination. That would be via direct observation by one or more employees. Someone has to note that property was observed at a particular point and that 24 hours later it still has not been moved/claimed. Only then does it becomes unattended. In practical terms, that means it will take more than 24 hours for a confiscatory action to occur; not the two hours or less in your case where there is no "violation."

This is like the meter maid chalking your tire and then coming back around and noting the vehicle is unmoved, whereupon you get a parking ticket. Except, the meter maid has more common sense than the funny hatter because there is documented basis for action.

In your case, if your situation is accurately described, your property was impounded at first encounter. Thus, there is no way the funny hatter can truthfully say it was unattended for the 24 hours allowed by the Compendium.

These cases demonstrate a real lack of professionalism by the NPS. It shows a disturbing failure of training and common sense. It's unacceptable and you have a legitimate complaint that I would suggest you make known to the Superintendent and your congressional representatives.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2015, 04:26:23 PM »
These cases demonstrate a real lack of professionalism by the NPS. It shows a disturbing failure of training and common sense. It's unacceptable and you have a legitimate complaint that I would suggest you make known to the Superintendent and your congressional representatives.
If only there were an LE Ranger in a position of authority reading this board who could address this issue...

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 04:28:50 PM »

These cases demonstrate a real lack of professionalism by the NPS. It shows a disturbing failure of training and common sense. It's unacceptable and you have a legitimate complaint that I would suggest you make known to the Superintendent and your congressional representatives.

Absolutely.  I would not let that go.  The rangers out there used to be real pros. They were kind, friendly and unintrusive.

There is clearly a disturbing trend that needs to be dealt with.  The more this kind of behavior is excused, the worse it will become.

In years past, I've done legitimate violations where I was "busted" and the rangers where very polite and reasonable about it. And I deserved the ass chewing. (Young and dumb)

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 05:22:40 PM »
Same here--have intentionally violated and been caught and it was like, "No prob; don't do it again."  I haven't really been harassed like this but the thought of others being harassed this way--especially if because of the color of their skin--is very annoying and makes me automatically cast about for my machete.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 06:50:25 PM »
Okiehiker, as others have mentioned, there have been many similar incidents where overbearing LE Rangers make outrageous accusations for minor or non-existent infractions. In my case it was a unintentional violation of one of those "buried" rules in the compendium and the ranger accused me of lying about it and had "backup" at the ready should I try to make a run for it.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 07:17:59 PM »
My wife and I have visited 3-4 different NPs a year for the past seven years. (we're not teachers). The Interpretive Rangers offer the best customer service of any company I deal with regularly except for USAA.

The LE Rangers are truly a hit or miss proposition. I was amazed as one at Yellowstone managed a bear-jam like no other. People parking in the middle of the road, getting ridiculously too close some with children, and of course when he tried to get them to follow some common sense he was yelled at and cussed out. All with a smile on his face.

Another was patiently trying to coach a rookie RV driver trying to back up from a no RV road back onto the main road. Again, very professional while I was going nuts trying to get the guy out of my ^$&$#@( way.

Finally, I watched as a guy in the funny hat harassed a family for parking in an area that was clearly not for parking, but not marked no parking so they could get a bit too close to a small band of elk. He was yelling, waving his arms, running back and forth, etc. As my wife walked quickly towards a park store I asked the guy in the funny hat (I love that line)  if all that yelling and waving might just spook the elk and make a slightly bad situation a big ass mess?
Everything is in walking distance if you have enough time.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 10:03:02 PM »
These cases demonstrate a real lack of professionalism by the NPS. It shows a disturbing failure of training and common sense. It's unacceptable and you have a legitimate complaint that I would suggest you make known to the Superintendent and your congressional representatives.
If only there were an LE Ranger in a position of authority reading this board who could address this issue...
This board is monitored by all the local law enforcement  agencies.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2015, 10:44:47 PM »
But who monitors them?  No one, apparently...

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2015, 11:04:14 PM »
Government Employees often times reflect those who are above them.  If so we are very much headed in the wrong direction. 

I can only imagine the feeling after one joyously plans a trip to a National Park and then takes the time and expense to travel to a  National Park so remote as Big Bend only to have their vacation destroyed by a Government Employee who considers law abiding citizens their enemy.

This is not the America that I grew up in.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 11:23:05 AM »
....the guy was a complete ass, demanded that my nephews and their wives keep their hands still, and kept his hand on his gun the entire time. He threatened to cite my seven year old great nieces and other things.

The guy was just ticked off that you probably make more money than he does*, just because you can afford a vacation and all that cool camping equipment.

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