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Offline tbone

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 12:18:36 PM »
....the guy was a complete ass, demanded that my nephews and their wives keep their hands still, and kept his hand on his gun the entire time. He threatened to cite my seven year old great nieces and other things.

The guy was just ticked off that you probably make more money than he does*, just because you can afford a vacation and all that cool camping equipment.

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Yeah, but there's a lot to be said for job satisfaction and doing what you love, which for Ranger Jose Galindo seems to be abusing his authority. Plus he gets to wear that cool hat. :ranger:

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 03:22:31 PM »
he gets to wear that cool hat. :ranger:


N O T cool.
Funny hat; poorly worn.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2015, 04:31:16 PM »
okiehiker good to see you back and hope the trip went well after yet another inexcusable incident with LE rangers.

These cases demonstrate a real lack of professionalism by the NPS. It shows a disturbing failure of training and common sense. It's unacceptable and you have a legitimate complaint that I would suggest you make known to the Superintendent and your congressional representatives.
If only there were an LE Ranger in a position of authority reading this board who could address this issue...
This board is monitored by all the local law enforcement  agencies.

Yes we are monitored by all the agencies which is laughable but they should by now know that we are far more informed and responsible visitors than 99% of all the rest of the folks who go to the park and care for it more than most as well.

Yes these incidents need to be reported to the highest levels and if, as in Casa Grande's brothers case, the person cannot go the full route at least they are on the record.  There is no excuse for this kind of behavior but as Al said this is not the America we grew up in especially after the lunacy following 9/11 and all that happens in relation to the border which I think has to be what leads these LE rangers to act the way they do.   :willynilly:
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Offline Al

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2015, 05:13:55 PM »
Yup. The government is using its failure to prevent a horrible attack on our country, inflicted by foreign terrorists, as its excuse to attack the freedoms and dignity of all Americans.  If I were an conspiracy theorist, I would have to wonder if Alex Jones has more credibility than not.

http://www.infowars.com/

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2015, 06:34:08 PM »
I think trying to make this a political issue is misguided. There have always been good rangers and bad rangers, just like in any profession. This Jose Galindo should probably have never been given the job. He obviously hasn't been well-trained. If I were his supervisor, I would not be happy. If I were the superintendent I'd be calling the chief ranger in for a discussion on training methods. This is more than likely just a case of in incompetent ranger whose bosses lack the spine to correct his behavior.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2015, 07:14:08 PM »
This is more than likely just a case of in incompetent ranger whose bosses lack the spine to correct his behavior.

Which equates to incompetent bosses....so where do you go from there? Who monitors the monitors and so on.......All of our protests are dismissed by this bunch. They are just a little to arrogant for their own good.

This is, as always, about the paradox of power, however oblique it may be in this case. When attaining a position of power, instead of being courteous, and honest many become rude and abusive. The problem with oblique power, is that it makes the wielder, unsympathetic of others. People in positions of authority are more likely to generalize when confronting others. They don't posses good communication skills and don't have the ability to apply a common sense approach to interaction with someone they consider one of the "subjects" to be controlled.




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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2015, 07:36:10 PM »
This is more than likely just a case of in incompetent ranger whose bosses lack the spine to correct his behavior.

Which equates to incompetent bosses....so where do you go from there? Who monitors the monitors and so on.......All of our protests are dismissed by this bunch. They are just a little to arrogant for their own good.

This is, as always, about the paradox of power, however oblique it may be in this case. When attaining a position of power, instead of being courteous, and honest many become rude and abusive. The problem with oblique power, is that it makes the wielder, unsympathetic of others. People in positions of authority are more likely to generalize when confronting others. They don't posses good communication skills and don't have the ability to apply a common sense approach to interaction with someone they consider one of the "subjects" to be controlled.

He obviously knows he can get away with abuse of power and inappropriate behavior.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015, 08:38:30 PM »
I think trying to make this a political issue is misguided. There have always been good rangers and bad rangers, just like in any profession. This Jose Galindo should probably have never been given the job. He obviously hasn't been well-trained. If I were his supervisor, I would not be happy. If I were the superintendent I'd be calling the chief ranger in for a discussion on training methods. This is more than likely just a case of in incompetent ranger whose bosses lack the spine to correct his behavior.

I agree.

I know the primary frustration is with the heavy-handed approach taken here (and I share that concern), but from Presidio's research there seems to be good grounds to contest this case.  It may be possible to participate in a hearing via telephone if you request it.  The State Office of Administrative Hearings frequently allows respondents to do so, but I don't know how NPS does it.  I'd bet Homer67 could provide some good guidance off the record about proving a case. And providing testimony into the record about Mr. Galindo's manner could aid a supervisor doing performance evaluations.

This whole deal is reminiscent of the problems a few years ago in the Devil's River Natural Area.  We can hope this resolves itself as that one did.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015, 09:47:31 PM »
Ranger Danger! Ranger Danger!  Ranger Danger!

I have voiced my opinion may times about these gov'nment employees.  Most old timers will remember the ticket for the picture of a tent in "Cattail canyon" on this web site.

Last time I was in the park, they wanted to search my car without probable cause.  A volunteer said I was GOING to break a rule in the compendium. 

Next, I was going to be given a ticket (warning) because a Ranger HEARD a story about me breaking a rule FOUR  4 days previously. 

No evidence!  No witness!  But I was going to get a warning.  I should of fessed up then and told him I was going to be driving over 45MPH  in the park for the next few days too.  Might as well give me a WARNING now. 

By the way government monitor, I didn't.    ( I like telling stories)

Unfortunately, Big Bend has been the place that I have had to explain to my 8 yo daughter that guys (except Ms. Moab. She was a girl , I think)  in badges are NOT always good people.   It was a good conversation between my daughter and myself about the Constitution and how it originally defined the LIMITS of the gov'ment.   

But PLEASE don't let those Jackasses keep you from going out there!
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2015, 12:46:38 AM »
This is more than likely just a case of in incompetent ranger whose bosses lack the spine to correct his behavior.

Or not.

Professionals would see an issue here needing attention. Possible reasons why that hasn't occurred may be:

a) There aren't any professionals at the park. Not too likely; not everyone in the NPS can be an idiot; though I do wonder at times.

b) It could be a one-off incident. Everybody has a bad day occasionally. However, the actions the employee is reported to have taken, along with the attitude described, seems much more than just a bad day.

c) It could be reflective of a new law enforcement employee who hasn't yet acquired the experience or judgment (or maybe even the desire) to differentiate between crime (park regulations) and CRIME (the real thing). Given what appears to be a hyper-aggressive response to an innocuous incident (even if the equipment was truly unattended) the reaction is over the top. This would have been a minor regulatory issue, not a criminal offense (yeah it IS a "crime" per the regulation, but let's use some common sense). I wonder how many tickets of this type are issued at the park? I bet there's actually very few. If it were me, I'd ask.

d) They don't have knowledge of the employee's actions. These guys mostly work alone so are mostly unsupervised from the perspective of their interaction with the public. In large measure, management knows only what employees reveal about their field work. Of course, there could be indicators in-office that might give an observant person/supervisor clues that perhaps some field oversight might be in order.

e) The above could be manifested by the simple explanation that they've received no complaints. In the absence of knowledge that an employee is creating problems, the assumption is that the person is functioning at an acceptable level of performance.

Logically, few tourists are going to take the time to complain unless it is extremely convenient. Many would not even know to whom they should direct a complaint. The Superintendent is a photo in the park newspaper (and maybe a pix on the wall at the visitor center), but how many tourists ever see this person and know who he/she is, or how to contact them? Almost no one the tourists deal with in the NPS is in a position of authority (other than the law enforcement guys) so any action requiring real decision making or management involvement is going to go through many layers before you get to someone who can do something.

You're out in the middle of nowhere. Are you going to turn around as you are leaving the park and make a special trip to find someone higher up to render your complaint? Even if you're still roaming around the park and may occasionally pass Panther Junction, are you going to take the time to go in and "complain?" Most folks are in the park to have a good time. Taking time to complain subtracts from the good time available. Plus, more than a few folks are afraid of asserting their rights for fear it may make things worse.

By the time you've gotten home, after at least many hours to several days of travel, most folks will have rationalized the incident (even if they are unhappy about getting a ticket...because challenging it means making a special trip back to the area). Some folks will assume the deck is stacked against them if they do go to court...it's their word against the awesome and hallowed NPS. Time heals all wounds, and these things quickly  become a minor irritant for most people if not addressed at the time of occurrence.

Personally, I'd do at least two things:

1) File a complaint with the Superintendent. I would do it via postal letter with a return receipt. Additionally, I would email the Superintendent to advise a letter is en route concerning an employee's actions (without being specific...lets them wonder what is coming and why; though if an employee is watching the chatter here they will have a pretty good idea).
2) Include in the complaint letter the request for an explanation as to how the employee determined the equipment was unattended when he had no prior knowledge that it had been there more than 24 hours. I would state that because I had just gotten a permit at PJ (the NPS easily can verify that) the employee lacked a basis for his action and therefore the ticket should be canceled, immediately, as an unwarranted and unsustainable action. There is NO means by which the NPS can show the regulation was violated.

It's pretty simple. If the agency cares about integrity and honesty they will do the right thing. If they don't, they won't.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2015, 12:57:36 PM »
Yep, I got a ticket.  I just paid it as well.  It wasn't much, $75 and I am probably in some data base.  It's ok, I love the desert and won't mind being searched again. I won't mind another butt chewing too much at PJ either, although it did surprise my buddies who enjoyed the loop in the Quemada that trip last March.

I hope that small bit of change benefitted the park. The Old Tahoe is now restricted to hauling hay, cattle cubes and sweet feed. My new ride probably won't set off any bells, unless they don't like my Big Bend plate.

This old ride will get you searched in Big Bend (it's a 1999.5 Tahoe Limited - 2" lower than the standard with the 5.7L engine and a transmission cooler, completely stock but it looks worked over to the uninformed)- supposedly cartels love to rework these old suv's:
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Ah Big Bend, we will soon return to reacquaint ourselves in our ritual of blood, exhaustion and dehydration. How can we resist the temptation to strip ourselves of the maladies of civilization?

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2015, 04:44:16 PM »
Yep, I got a ticket.

I hope that small bit of change benefitted the park.

It didn't. The NPS (nor any federal agency it would appear) does not receive the proceeds of any fines paid. I didn't search for state info as it is irrelevant to this discussion.

A bit of poking around online produced this (along with other interesting tidbits of what happens to all the fines miscreants pay for misbehaving in the parks). The Feds use something called the Central Violations Bureau.

http://www.cvb.uscourts.gov/faq.html

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Where does the money go when I pay a ticket?

Funds collected from the payment of petty offense cases are deposited into the Crime Victims Fund. The Crime Victims Fund was established by the Victims of Crime Act of 1984 and is a major funding source for victim services throughout the country. For more information about the Crime Victims Fund and how the funds are disbursed, visit the Office for Victims of Crime website at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ . The $25 processing fee is used to offset court costs.
(It looks like you get to pay a fee to pay a fine...whacked twice! That oughta learn ya.)

Disallowing directly benefiting from fines (logically?) presumably levels the playing field by removing a closed loop system where there would be pecuniary incentives to issue tickets.

Of course, it does not level the field in the event someone is on a personal escapade to issue tickets for whatever reason. While many will think "quota" system, I don't ever recall any agency at any level admitting they have ticket quotas. Even if they did, they still have to have a legal basis to charge a violation (or not, as it would seem in Okiehiker's case).
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2015, 10:11:41 PM »
You could always try using the email form available from http://www.nps.gov/bibe/contacts.htm and request that it be forwarded to Allen Etheridge, the Chief Park Ranger.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2015, 10:23:14 PM »
I have had my share of run-ins with overzealous, overstuffed law officers.  On our November return from doing the Mesa de Anguila, for example (report coming), we met a mega-jerk county mountie keeping his license up to date In Junction.

But my experience at BiBe continues to be universally positive (within reasonable limits).  I have met a few NPS employees having bad days, but nothing that rates a complaint.

On the contrary, (i) Kevin, the guy who maintains the roads, took time to give me some great suggestions for my recent T-Giving trip with my wife (report coming), (ii) Ranger Rob is always a prince of a guy and I look him up every time I go, (iii) another gray-headed ranger took real pleasure in seeing my wife's picture of a bear we saw, and (iv) a gruff LE ranger saved my bacon in 2010.

I feel tremendous regret when I hear stories that are contrary to my experiences.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2015, 10:28:08 PM »
You could always try using the email form available from http://www.nps.gov/bibe/contacts.htm and request that it be forwarded to Allen Etheridge, the Chief Park Ranger.

or howzabout this from http://www.nps.gov/directory/employees.cfm?StartRow=201&sn=ge&pk=
Allen_S_Etheridge@nps.gov  (432) 477-1185
Cindy_Ott-Jones@nps.gov (no phone listed)

 


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