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Offline presidio

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2015, 11:55:59 PM »
or howzabout this from http://www.nps.gov/directory/employees.cfm?StartRow=201&sn=ge&pk=
Allen_S_Etheridge@nps.gov  (432) 477-1185
Cindy_Ott-Jones@nps.gov (no phone listed)

Yep, go direct.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2015, 10:54:21 AM »
Wasn't there a phone number posted recently to report abuses and bad behavior of park rangers? I remember seeing it, but I cannot find it now.

I'm not taking any sides here. I'd rather remain neutral.

But if I made the decision to leave any piece of gear unattended for any length of time, regardless of rules or regulations, I would leave a large and obvious note with detailed info on it stating my intentions. (And I always carry paper and pens with me when I'm out there for such purpose.)

If anything, it would prevent a good Samaritan from picking up my gear (thinking it was abandoned) and taking it to a lost and found.

I've had that happen to me before (NOT in Bibe, mind you).

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2015, 05:24:37 PM »
After contacting Cindy Ott and Allen Etheridge, Both my nephew Brian and my other nephew's wife, Eunice received personal calls from Ranger John Craig advising them that the citations had been dismissed.

Interestingly he told both of them that my contact had nothing to do with the dismissal.

That statement is blatantly false and frankly insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved.

However, the citations are moot and the hopefully there is awareness among Galindo's superiors and a notation in his file.
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline presidio

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 06:18:12 PM »
After contacting Cindy Ott and Allen Etheridge, Both my nephew Brian and my other nephew's wife, Eunice received personal calls from Ranger John Craig advising them that the citations had been dismissed.

Interestingly he told both of them that my contact had nothing to do with the dismissal.

That statement is blatantly false and frankly insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved.

However, the citations are moot and the hopefully there is awareness among Galindo's superiors and a notation in his file.

Outstanding!

Regardless of the excuse offered, they did the right thing.
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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2015, 07:20:14 PM »
Thanks for following up, Okiehiker.

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Offline steelfrog

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2015, 08:10:50 PM »
So why then did they decide to just dismiss them in their own?

That is crap. These people think we are idiots. Arrogant people who know they aren't accountable

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2015, 09:53:38 PM »
And thank you, John, for providing a response here to help clear things up. However, a thumbs-down for deleting your post.

Now, on to more important things... got any pics of the snow and ice to share?  :dance:
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 03:36:57 PM by RichardM »

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2015, 10:08:33 PM »
Hello to the members of the forum,

I am John Craig, a Ranger at Big Bend, and Jose Galindos immediate supervisor.

I feel that the information in this thread is a bit skewed, and that's ok, but I did want to address 1 point.

I did not speak to Brian on the phone, but I did speak with Eunice. I also did receive the email that was sent to the superintendent and chief ranger.

For clarification, I dismissed the violation notices because they were incorrect. Ranger Galindo wrote them for abandoned property which they clearly were not. Ranger Galindo could have written violation notices for a food storage violation (for example) but not abandoned property.

 I was misquoted earlier,  when I said that I was not dismissing the violations because of the complaint, that was true (I was not trying to insult anyone's intelligence) Just because someone complains about receiving a ticket does not mean I dismiss it. In this instance the ticket was wrong.

 I apologize to everyone involved.

In the future if you have a problem with a ranger in Big Bend, you can reach me by email John_J_craig@nps.gov or through the park dispatch 432 477 1187


Your apology is accepted, by me, at least.

Building a level of trust between BIBE management and some of the most ardent supporters of the park, is another matter altogether.

Stop treating us like an intrusion, because we offer respect to the place and trust that we both share a common goal.

Enough said........
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Offline presidio

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2015, 10:20:48 PM »
Hello to the members of the forum,

I am John Craig, a Ranger at Big Bend, and Jose Galindos immediate supervisor.

I feel that the information in this thread is a bit skewed, and that's ok, but I did want to address 1 point.

I did not speak to Brian on the phone, but I did speak with Eunice. I also did receive the email that was sent to the superintendent and chief ranger.

For clarification, I dismissed the violation notices because they were incorrect. Ranger Galindo wrote them for abandoned property which they clearly were not. Ranger Galindo could have written violation notices for a food storage violation (for example) but not abandoned property.

 I was misquoted earlier,  when I said that I was not dismissing the violations because of the complaint, that was true (I was not trying to insult anyone's intelligence) Just because someone complains about receiving a ticket does not mean I dismiss it. In this instance the ticket was wrong.

 I apologize to everyone involved.

In the future if you have a problem with a ranger in Big Bend, you can reach me by email John_J_craig@nps.gov or through the park dispatch 432 477 1187

Mr. Craig,

I very much appreciate your directly addressing the situation. This is a helpful and professional response.

There have been other issues over the years on this board where there has been informal participation by a couple employees of the park, but I do not recall any prior "official" correspondence.

I have occasionally suggested in forums it would be to the park's benefit for someone to provide clarification on issues as you have done here, as there often is misunderstanding and speculation about management practices and policies that easily run wild in the absence of accurate information.

While I fully understand that this would entail some time by whatever person would be responding to a particular issue, and that no employee would want to get into debates, I think there could (and should) be some official participation without getting drawn into extended exchanges. In any event, the board moderators can limit thread access should it be necessary.

Often, speculation about various topics could be quickly addressed by an official statement from an appropriate employee knowledgeable about the matter, again, as you have done in this instance.

So, I would suggest the park give this some thought and perhaps a trial participation.

It is abundantly clear that, despite the variety and range of opinions found on the forums, there is an extremely high level of interest and concern about a place everyone regards as a premier destination.

The audience is diverse, geographically broad, and generally very well-informed from the perspective of a tourist, and many clearly have considerable knowledge and experiences to share that benefit many. I think it is a user group/public affairs opportunity that has been ignored for far too long.

Thanks again for coming on here and providing an explanation.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2015, 10:27:31 PM »
I also appreciate You putting yourself "out there" Mr Craig".

Not that this is s town hall meeting or anything, but is there any process for reviewing citations that are written?  Are there too many to review?

I understand that the tickets weren't dismissed because of the complaint, but certainly their existence and wrongness came to your attention because of the complaint?

It would be interesting for me to understand LE ranger priorities--drug interdiction or safety or enjoyment of the park by the public or revenue generation?  Other things? I ask this question from a position of ignorance as i genuinely have no idea. If we knew what your priorities are it could foster understanding and a more cooperative and less antagonistic attitude from us civilians.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2015, 10:28:47 PM »
Mr. Craig, thank you very much for posting and the apology. 

It remains horrible that Mr. Galindo's inappropriate act destroyed their well planned and otherwise executed vacation and thus their ability to enjoy the national park.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2015, 10:39:28 PM »
I stand corrected. Someone did care.  :eusa_clap:

It remains horrible that Mr. Galindo's inappropriate act destroyed their well planned and otherwise executed vacation and thus their ability to enjoy the national park.

Al, we won't know if Okiehiker's crew enjoyed their trip until he posts a trip report...

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Offline Al

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2015, 10:52:03 PM »
I stand corrected. Someone did care.  :eusa_clap:

It remains horrible that Mr. Galindo's inappropriate act destroyed their well planned and otherwise executed vacation and thus their ability to enjoy the national park.

Al, we won't know if Okiehiker's crew enjoyed their trip until he posts a trip report...

Given the logistics of having their packs taken, having to then run them down, deal with Mr. Galindo, get the packs back and the distances and travel times involved, I'd be very surprised if they were able to do the planned vacation.  You may be right but I doubt it.  I look forward to Okiehiker's trip report.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2015, 12:04:03 PM »
Thanks John!  I can appreciate what you are saying.

From my perspective (and maybe there are others here who feel the same) I am a city dweller who hates the city. I go to Big Bend specifically to get some quiet time away from the throngs.  And i get to come to the park all too rarely. You guys get  to be there all the time. For me it is like s playground. I haven't had what I would call any bad encounters with LE there. I have been pulled over for speeding and given a pass when I said I just wasn't paying attention. Which is cool.

But I guess what I'm saying is, when I get into BB I feel liberated from people and I can see people reacting badly to having their solitude interrupted.

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Re: Jose Galindo
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2015, 01:24:28 PM »
And thank you, John, for providing a response here to help clear things up.

Now, on to more important things... got any pics of the snow and ice to share?  :dance:
If you have further questions or concerns, please direct them to my email.
I guess that means no pictures?  :icon_cry:

 


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