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Title: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: bam.bam on October 11, 2018, 07:20:07 AM
Interesting read about mountain lion attacks. Notice some of the attacks in which kids we're way ahead of parents.  Some calibration on how people defended themselves.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266739288_Mountain_Lion_Incidents_in_Big_Bend_National_Park_1953-2003
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: Hang10er on October 11, 2018, 08:12:06 AM
Thanks for that, very interesting.
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: dprather on October 11, 2018, 08:58:14 AM
+1 thanks
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: mule ears on October 11, 2018, 09:15:43 AM
Very thorough, sounds like one should stay off the Basin Loop trail near dusk!
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: alan in shreveport on October 11, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Very interesting. Seems you need to fight back with whatever is available and you'll survive - maybe with a few wounds.
I like the one with the guy in the tree that was momentarily distracted and then found the lion in the tree with him !  Momentarily distracted ? More likely fell asleep.
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 11, 2018, 09:46:16 AM
So. Here's something odd.

I've had three encounters with Mountain Lion in Big Bend. The first was just a nearby vocalization (the hair-raising scream) one night when I was camped up in Boot Canyon.

The second was in November 1996 while hiking the OML with my younger brother. We started up from Homer Wilson and used JC1 as a base camp while we explored the Chisos for a couple days before continuing on into the desert. On our second day up in the Chisos we were returning from climbing Emory Peak when we rounded a hairpin turn on the Boot Canyon trail and came face-to-face with an adult lion trotting down the trail toward us. The lion came to an abrupt stop a few feet from me and then bounded straight up the steep slope to my right, pausing several feet upslope for a minute or so before moving on.

The third encounter was in the spring of 2003. I had taken my friend Don (a Canadian Wildlife Service field researcher) on his first trip to Big Bend.  We'd spent the day up in the Chisos and were on our way back to the Basin when we encountered a female lion with two cubs making their way through an arroyo just above the Boulder Meadow area. Don, in a demonstration of enthusiasm over good sense, wanted to follow the lions but I dissuaded him.

In the two latter cases I filed an official wildlife sighting report. And I think in both cases, it was Ranger Mark Flippo (a very knowledgeable naturalist) that took the reports. Yet neither of these encounters are in the linked research paper.  And here's something: along with the spring 2003 lion sighting, I filed reports of a couple of extremely rare bird sightings with Flippo and those DID make it into the official records, including the Texas Bird Records Committee report for that year.  Very odd that the two lion reports seem to have evaporated.
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 11, 2018, 09:49:04 AM
Very interesting. Seems you need to fight back with whatever is available and you'll survive - maybe with a few wounds.
I like the one with the guy in the tree that was momentarily distracted and then found the lion in the tree with him !  Momentarily distracted ? More likely fell asleep.

I noticed that! I like the one in which the woman reported awaking to see a lion stepping over her sleeping bag.

Speaking of fighting back. Check out the link I added yesterday to my earlier post, "This is why it's important to teach our children to box".  It will blow your mind.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/other-stuff/this-is-why-it's-important-to-teach-our-children-to-box/msg165996/#msg165996

Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: alan in shreveport on October 11, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
Very interesting. Seems you need to fight back with whatever is available and you'll survive - maybe with a few wounds.
I like the one with the guy in the tree that was momentarily distracted and then found the lion in the tree with him !  Momentarily distracted ? More likely fell asleep.

I noticed that! I like the one in which the woman reported awaking to see a lion stepping over her sleeping bag.

Speaking of fighting back. Check out the link I added yesterday to my earlier post, "This is why it's important to teach our children to box".  It will blow your mind.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/other-stuff/this-is-why-it's-important-to-teach-our-children-to-box/msg165996/#msg165996


I did read that - thats one tough dude
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: Imre on October 11, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
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I filed reports of a couple of extremely rare bird sightings
Are you going to share these with us ... please?
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 11, 2018, 06:32:54 PM
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I filed reports of a couple of extremely rare bird sightings
Are you going to share these with us ... please?

Ha! Sure, Imre. Painted Redstart and Flame-colored Tanager.


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Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: Imre on October 11, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
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Painted Redstart and Flame-colored Tanager.
Surely you mean slate throated redstart?
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 11, 2018, 08:24:56 PM
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Painted Redstart and Flame-colored Tanager.
Surely you mean slate throated redstart?

That was the previous year.


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Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: badknees on October 12, 2018, 07:19:13 AM
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I filed reports of a couple of extremely rare bird sightings
Are you going to share these with us ... please?

Ha! Sure, Imre. Painted Redstart and Flame-colored Tanager.


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The Painted redstart is not particularly rare in the Chisos. It is just a sporadic visitor. Some years there and some years not so much....

On the other hand, the Slate-throated Redstart  is extremely rare in Texas. Is it possible that there is some confusion?
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 12, 2018, 08:52:07 AM
Painted Redstart is interesting.  There was a period beginning in the 90's when its presence in the Bend became unusually and sustainedly rare.  We now know, with hindsight, that that period ended in the early 2000's, but at the time we didn't know which direction the population was headed. I was very pleased to find one in 2003.  But you're right BK, I was in fact confused about the TBRC report. I just checked it and only my sighting of the Flame-colored Tanager made it into the report that year.
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: Imre on October 12, 2018, 12:25:53 PM
I'll use this as an excuse to post a photograph. This guy looks like he's gathering material for a nest. Photographed right next to the cabin at Boot Spring.
Title: Re: Mountain Lion Attacks In BiBe
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 12, 2018, 12:56:10 PM
I'll use this as an excuse to post a photograph. This guy looks like he's gathering material for a nest. Photographed right next to the cabin at Boot Spring.

Oh, definitely gathering for a nest.  Great photo, Imre!!!!  And now I think we have definitely, officially hijacked this thread. I'll drag it back more-or-less onto the OP's topic by posting this further endorsement of the utility of pocketknives.  ;)

https://www.statesman.com/news/20120901/mountain-lion-snatches-leander-boy-in-big-bend-child-survives