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Big Bend National Park Q&A => General Questions and Answers => Topic started by: steelfrog on April 30, 2012, 03:52:38 PM

Title: Rain!
Post by: steelfrog on April 30, 2012, 03:52:38 PM
Looks like the Basin is getting hammered right now!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: steelfrog on April 30, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Marathon about to get clobbered...
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on April 30, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: http://marathonmotel.com/webcam.php
(http://i.imgur.com/1i7Md.jpg)
Too bad the park's webcams are inoperative.

The park's weather site's aren't showing any precipitation (yet).
http://raws.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/roman/meso_base.cgi?stn=CSBT2&time=LOCAL
http://raws.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/roman/meso_base.cgi?stn=PJNT2&time=LOCAL
http://raws.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/roman/meso_base.cgi?stn=TS645&time=LOCAL
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on April 30, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Awesome... they need it out there in the worst way
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on May 01, 2012, 07:06:10 PM
Unfortunately only .02" was recorded at PJ.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on May 01, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
Unfortunately only .02" was recorded at PJ.
Hmmm, you must be looking at a different set of data. I don't see anything since 4/10. :icon_frown:
(http://i.imgur.com/OViau.jpg)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on May 01, 2012, 09:32:36 PM
Unfortunately only .02" was recorded at PJ.
Hmmm, you must be looking at a different set of data. I don't see anything since 4/10. :icon_frown:
(http://i.imgur.com/OViau.jpg)

Its in the BB Daily report
Last 24 hours  Precipitation 0.02

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-232.pdf (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-232.pdf)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: jeffblaylock on May 02, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
Just got back from 10 days out there. I can report that the Basin received a little rain, though none in the gauge, last night. I was standing on the Window Trail above the group campground when it came in as a shimmering curtain on water against the sunset. It was the second straight day that thunderstorms formed in the area in the afternoon. Though little actually fell in the park, let's hope it's a sign that a true monsoonal season is coming. :crossedfingers:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: bbbrain on May 03, 2012, 05:48:37 PM
jeff, i'd be interested to know if you saw any reptiles on your trip.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: jeffblaylock on May 03, 2012, 11:43:34 PM
jeff, i'd be interested to know if you saw any reptiles on your trip.

Handful of snakes (none with a rattle), lots of lizards.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: homerboy2u on May 06, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
we got 1.75 inches in 35 minutes...what a Supercell!!!...... :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on May 10, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
Check out the Daily Report! (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-241.pdf)   :celebrate:

It would be neat to check out some of the pouroffs or the bridge across the Tornillo today.  :great:

Also, it looks like the River is up at Castolon. I wondered if this would be so last night when I saw thunderstorms indicated on the radar over El Paso.  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on May 10, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
Check out the Daily Report! (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-241.pdf)

Whoa! Woo-hoo!  :dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on May 11, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-242.pdf

Wow. RMSD closed -- that must have been some rain...    :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on May 11, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-242.pdf

Wow. RMSD closed -- that must have been some rain...    :icon_eek:

I can't imagine what would close the RMSD, I guess there are some low water crossings below Tuff canyon?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on May 11, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
There is the low water crossing near where the Apache Canyon trail begins... they probably got a load mud and gravel across the road in a few places, but you'd think they would run a blade though there and be done with it.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on May 11, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
Apache Canyon trailhead is in quite a road dip, and there's a reasonable sized wash that crosses there... :eusa_think:

edit -- they don't call him Flash for nothin' folks!  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on May 11, 2012, 06:08:56 PM
Maybe their funds were cut and they can't get to the washes?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on May 12, 2012, 08:04:47 AM
The report says " Castolon to Santa Elena is closed".  The low water crossings in that area always cover the road with thick muck after a heavy rain.
Title: Rain!
Post by: steelfrog on May 14, 2012, 04:24:36 PM
Looks liek the northern part of the park is getting hammered.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on May 14, 2012, 08:12:59 PM
0.35" in the Basin this evening!

Quote
05/14/2012 0600 PM

3 miles se of Study Butte, Brewster County.

Hail e1.00 inch, reported by trained spotter.


            Quarter-sized hail... along with 70 mph wind measured wind
            speeds.





05/14/2012 0407 PM

Persimmon Gap, Brewster County.

Hail e1.00 inch, reported by co-op observer.


            Abundant quarter-size hail covering ground.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on May 26, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Between 7 and 8 PM tonight, 0.91" fell in the Basin and 0.82" was recorded at Panther Junction.   :celebrate:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on May 26, 2012, 10:51:27 PM
That is awesome... Sounds like the summer in BiBe will be better than last year
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Homer67 on May 27, 2012, 01:12:10 AM
Sweet!  We may just see some flow at the various falls in October!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on May 27, 2012, 06:13:47 AM
Awesome! 1.88 inches in the last 24 hours at PJ and 2.41 inches in the Basin.  By my calculations that puts PJ at 5.27 inches for the year which is 2 inches above normal!  Woo hoo!  :great:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Dennis1993 on May 27, 2012, 07:44:17 AM
Here's is a picture of the storm from the road coming from Rio Grande Village
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on May 27, 2012, 11:52:53 AM
Suh-weeet!!

Here's final BiBe precip for 2011:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/BiBe2011JB.jpg)

Here's where we are as of 5/27/12 Daily Report:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/BiBe2012JB.jpg)

 :dance: :celebrate: :great: :13:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Ay Chihuahua! on May 27, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
How sweet is that?

As Mr. Clapton says, "Let it Rain." 

:dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on June 08, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
I notice that the The Daily Report has removed the statement under Current Park Conditions, that said "because of the on going drought visitors should conserve water and use it carefully" (at least something like that).  I guess they are feeling better about water availability.   :celebrate:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: TexasAggieHiker on June 11, 2012, 08:50:29 AM
(http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/audience.gif)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on June 14, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Quote
Local Storm Report for Marathon from Weather Underground:

06/13/2012 0930 PM

Marathon, Brewster County.

Hail e1.75 inch, reported by public.


            Windows were broken and vehicles dented from golfball
            sized hail in Marathon.

Northern Brewster County is currently under a flash flood watch...

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on June 16, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Holy Moly!

http://www.nps.gov/bibe/upload/DAILYREPORT-279.pdf

2.25" in the Basin yesterday!

 :dance:
Title: Rain!
Post by: kevint on June 16, 2012, 11:30:05 AM
That's fantastic.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Reece on June 18, 2012, 08:12:50 AM
A perfect example of "climate change".
Heck, it seems like it's always changing.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on July 25, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
1.07" was recorded in the Basin from 5-7 pm this evening.  :eusa_whistle:

Anyone think Cattail might be roaring?  :great:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Infosec on July 26, 2012, 09:38:00 AM
Lots of good rain this year  :notworthy:
I guess the rain dances worked.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on July 26, 2012, 07:12:35 PM
Lots of good rain this year  :notworthy:
I guess the rain dances worked.

Don't get too excited. The total annual average rainfall for the Basin is 15.24 inches with only 11.59" so far this year. Remember that 2011 was very dry with only 4.31 inches for the whole year. Don't stop dancing.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 18, 2012, 08:10:28 AM
2.01 inches reported at the Basin in the last 24-hrs!  :icon_smile: PJ got 1.39"!  :celebrate:

My son and I will be there tomorrow afternoon, if all goes well.   :eusa_pray:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Lance on August 18, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
2.01 inches reported at the Basin in the last 24-hrs!  :icon_smile: PJ got 1.39"!  :celebrate:

My son and I will be there tomorrow afternoon, if all goes well.   :eusa_pray:

Awesome!  Have fun!  I hear it's green right now  :icon_smile:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on August 18, 2012, 09:51:11 AM
It was green when I was there. The hike up Pinnacles to the rim was covered in wild flowers. But... just eyeball estimating... about 50% or more of the trees were dead.

2.01 inches reported at the Basin in the last 24-hrs!  :) PJ got 1.39"!  :celebrate:

My son and I will be there tomorrow afternoon, if all goes well.   :eusa_pray:

Awesome!  Have fun!  I hear it's green right now  :)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on August 19, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
Looks like there was more rain in the Basin today
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on August 20, 2012, 03:05:11 PM

An update...

Here's final BiBe precip for 2011:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/BiBe2011JB.jpg)

Here's where we are as of 8/20/12 Daily Report:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/jbbrain.jpg)


 :dance: :celebrate: :great: :13:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 20, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Things are relatively lush so far. Rained gently for about an hour from 4-5pm yesterday in the Basin. Got down to 60 degrees. Sure felt nice. Made it out to Apache Canyon today and there was still mud in some low spots.  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Buck on August 20, 2012, 09:02:51 PM
I would be interested in knowing what the flow is like at Cattail.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 20, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
Me too!  :icon_lol:  From Burro Mesa, we could see the glistening of a couple streams of water flowing down the sides of Carter down into Cattail Canyon. Sure was purty in the morning sun!  :icon_smile:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Buck on August 21, 2012, 09:54:26 AM
Kind of like this?

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg562/buck_nekk1d/2003%20Bender/e4c8f74f.jpg)

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg562/buck_nekk1d/2003%20Bender/3d266fd8.jpg)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 21, 2012, 10:42:31 PM
Kind of like this?
Yep, just like that.  :great:

I have never seen the ocotillos so green and leafy as I saw them along the Ward Spring trail today.  :icon_smile:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Buck on August 22, 2012, 07:32:58 AM
Now you've seen the elusive and rare Chisos Silver Lizards!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 09, 2013, 08:13:15 PM
Both PJ and RGV have had at least 1/2" of rain today.   :eusa_dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on August 29, 2013, 07:00:08 AM
Wow, nearly an inch of rain at PJ on Tuesday!  Still two inches behind for the year but the trend is good. :dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on August 29, 2013, 07:32:39 AM
Wow, nearly an inch of rain at PJ on Tuesday!  Still two inches behind for the year but the trend is good. :dance:

I noticed that too, and considering that BK will be there on Sunday, that is a good thing. Unfortunately a high sitting over the Central plains has backed in some hot dry weather for the medium range forecast. It's gonna be hot!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on August 29, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
Be careful with that heat and have fun, looking forward to what you find.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on August 29, 2013, 11:15:21 AM
Wow, nearly an inch of rain at PJ on Tuesday!  Still two inches behind for the year but the trend is good. :dance:

I noticed that too, and considering that BK will be there on Sunday, that is a good thing. Unfortunately a high sitting over the Central plains has backed in some hot dry weather for the medium range forecast. It's gonna be hot!
The high Sunday is forecasted to be 104 near Carlota Tinaja vs. 77 near the South Rim. I think we will go to the Rim, though I have to admit that Desert Spring looks intriguing for an early morning desert hike...
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 19, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Looks like a great stretch of rain, a half an inch or more around the park today and more to come.  Anyone headed out this weekend?  I bet water will be running in lots of places.   :celebrate:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 19, 2013, 10:03:55 PM
Looks like a great stretch of rain, a half an inch or more around the park today and more to come.  Anyone headed out this weekend?  I bet water will be running in lots of places.   :celebrate:

Basin is up to almost an inch - Wish I was there!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 19, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
Looks like a great stretch of rain, a half an inch or more around the park today and more to come.  Anyone headed out this weekend?  I bet water will be running in lots of places.   :celebrate:

Basin is up to almost an inch - Wish I was there!


[size=78%]Me too![/size]
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 20, 2013, 07:03:16 AM
1.5" in 24 hours!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 20, 2013, 07:30:06 AM
1.5" in 24 hours!


I wonder what Cattail Falls is doing?


I hope it was a nice full coverage rain that put some water up high too
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 20, 2013, 07:46:21 AM

I hope it was a nice full coverage rain that put some water up high too

From the radar it looks like it was wide spread.  I hope someone is going out this weekend to take some pictures.   :eusa_pray:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 20, 2013, 08:42:10 AM

I hope it was a nice full coverage rain that put some water up high too

From the radar it looks like it was wide spread.  I hope someone is going out this weekend to take some pictures.   :eusa_pray:


What radar are you looking at? NWS radar doesn't "reach" and the last time I checked the sites in Mexico they were down. I've been looking for a site that had better coverage than the NWS but since they own the radar sites I kind of gave up.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on September 20, 2013, 09:06:45 AM
Awesome.

Quote from: http://tinyurl.com/biberain
(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/rain_0920.jpg)

Here's a radar for the Big Bend area:
http://www.kvue.com/weather/radar?radar=64449872&img=15&c=y

Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Don H on September 20, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
I'm arriving in the park on Sunday!!   One of our planned day hikes is the Pine Canyon trail on Monday morning - surely the pouroff will still be flowing by then.  Hopefully I'll have some good pics to post.  May have to alter my plans and check out Cattail as well.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on September 20, 2013, 12:34:07 PM
I'm arriving in the park on Sunday!!   One of our planned day hikes is the Pine Canyon trail on Monday morning - surely the pouroff will still be flowing by then.  Hopefully I'll have some good pics to post.  May have to alter my plans and check out Cattail as well.
Definitely. :icon_wink: Check with the Visitor Center for an update on road conditions to both places. If the road to the Cattail trailhead is in bad shape, hike in from the road. It's not that much further.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 20, 2013, 02:06:23 PM
Quote
Here's a radar for the Big Bend area:http://www.kvue.com/weather/radar?radar=64449872&img=15&c=y (http://www.kvue.com/weather/radar?radar=64449872&img=15&c=y)



Awesome! I wonder where that is from. NWS doesn't show any coverage. The green blob just stops on a sharp edge. Maybe there is an alien force field there that we can't see.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 20, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
This is a pretty good one from AccuWeather's site (http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/southern-texas/weather-radar)

Looks like the heavier rain has moved more SE for now
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 20, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
Quote
Here's a radar for the Big Bend area:http://www.kvue.com/weather/radar?radar=64449872&img=15&c=y (http://www.kvue.com/weather/radar?radar=64449872&img=15&c=y)



Awesome! I wonder where that is from. NWS doesn't show any coverage. The green blob just stops on a sharp edge. Maybe there is an alien force field there that we can't see.


I'm thinking there isn't an NWS or Local radar that covers that area. I think the Accuweather extrapolates from satellite imagery. so it may not be "Accu"
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Terlingua Express on September 20, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Try this link...it looks as though the "Rio Grande Village" and "Boquillas" are getting some light rain as of now.

Satellite Radar  (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=wxmap&query=29.28885,-103.18486&lat=29.28885&lon=-103.18486&zoom=10&type=hybrid&units=english&rad=1&rad.num=6&rad.spd=25&rad.opa=70&rad.type=N0R&rad.type2=&rad.smo=1&rad.stm=0&sat=0&svr=0&cams=0&tor=0&wxsn=0&pep=0)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: trtlrock on September 20, 2013, 06:54:52 PM
From Friday 9/20 Daily Report:

The possibility of rain will continue through Saturday and has produced heavy rains, localized flash flooding,
deteriorated backcountry driving conditions, and high river levels. A Flash Flood Watch is in effect until Friday
evening; do not attempt to drive through moving water more than 12 inches which can cause vehicles to float off
the roadway. Rains have contributed to increasing river levels on the Rio Grande, with river levels expected to
reach 13 feet or above. The Boquillas Port of Entry river crossing is closed. The Old Maverick Road is closed.
The Langford Hot Springs pool is submerged. The Ross Maxwell Scenic Drive, the Santa Elena Canyon Road,
and the Santa Elena Canyon Trail are open with water, mud, and debris, use caution
.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Quatro on September 20, 2013, 07:08:59 PM
If the road to the Cattail trailhead is in bad shape, hike in from the road. It's not that much further.

It's been awhile but I seem to recall that the Cattail road traverses a wash at one point. 
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 20, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
I'm thinking there isn't an NWS or Local radar that covers that area. I think the Accuweather extrapolates from satellite imagery. so it may not be "Accu"

I think you are correct with the lack of radar coverage and extrapolation.  I kind of like the idea the Big Bend is so remote that there isn't even radar that covers the area.   :13:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 20, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Flooding at RGV:
Quote
Statement as of 11:00 AM CDT on September 20, 2013
Below are the latest river stages and forecasts (feet):

                   bf fld observed forecast
location stg stg stage day time Fri Fri Sat Sat
                                                1pm 7pm 1am 7am
 Boquillas-Rio 12.0 13.0 13.0 Fri 10 am 13.2 10.6 10.1 9.6

The National Weather Service in has issued a

* Flood Warning for
 the Rio Grande at Boquillas-Rio Grande Village.
* Until late Saturday night, or until the warning is cancelled.
* At 10am Friday the stage was 13.0 feet (4.0 meters).
* Flooding is occurring and flooding is forecast.
* Flood stage is 13.0 feet (4.0 meters).
* Forecast... the river will continue rising to near 13.2 feet (4.0
 meters) by this afternoon. The river will fall below flood stage
 this afternoon.
* Impact... at 13.0 feet (4.0 meters), the river reaches minor flood
 stage. Water reaches the water pumps maintained by the park
 service that are used to water the campgrounds and to provide water
 to the employee living quarters. It may be necessary for park
 personnel to remove the pumps.

 
Lat... Lon 2896 10305 2915 10312 2940 10294 2931 10279 2912 10292

 :shock:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Lance on September 20, 2013, 08:50:52 PM
I think it's about time for a BiBe trip..
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Terlingua50337 on September 20, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Here's a hydrograph of the Pecos at the weir dam near Langtry.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Terlingua50337 on September 20, 2013, 08:57:50 PM
Here's a hydrograph of the Rio Grande at Foster's Ranch. These are incredible amounts of water. Seminole Canyon had near 15' in it this morning. They got somewhere around 6"! Can you say fill up Amistad?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 20, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Here's a hydrograph of the Rio Grande at Foster's Ranch. These are incredible amounts of water. Seminole Canyon had near 15' in it this morning. They got somewhere around 6"! Can you say fill up Amistad?

It would be nice to have some water come down the Pecos. When I was there just a few weeks ago, the confluence with the RG was a muddy flat with grass growing on it!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 21, 2013, 12:11:39 AM
Amistad could definitely use some water.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Terlingua50337 on September 21, 2013, 05:18:46 AM
Its been that way for over 2 years. I tried getting to the Rio Grande in my kayak in April 2011. Got about 1/4 mile from the confluence and my paddles got stuck in mud. Was barely enough water to turn around. The Devils was up over 9' at Bakers Crossing yesterday so Amistad is going to come out of this pretty good.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 28, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
Didn't expect this, but it is most welcome!

Weather Conditions for CSBT2
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:42 CDT
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.64", in 24 hours: 0.88"

Weather Conditions for PJNT2
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:42 CDT
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.71", in 24 hours: 0.71"

Weather Conditions for TS645
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:43 CDT
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 1.62", in 24 hours: 1.62"
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 28, 2013, 11:20:34 AM
Nice news, BK.  :)  The amounts have gone up even more in the past hour!  :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Homer67 on September 28, 2013, 12:41:39 PM
Sweet!  We are about 3 weeks out from our next trip. I hope this means we will find water in the Quemada; our route takes us near many springs on the map. 

It's looking like things are shaping up nicely!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 28, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
PJ and RGV didn't get much more but the Basin picked up another 8/10ths. :dance:

Weather Conditions for CSBT2
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:42 CDT 18:08 CDT
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.64", in 24 hours: 0.88" 1.42", in 24 hours: 1.66"

Weather Conditions for PJNT2
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:42 CDT 18:11 CDT
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.71", in 24 hours: 0.71" 0.73", in 24 hours: 0.73"

Weather Conditions for TS645
Current time: September 28, 2013 - 10:43 CDT 18:12 CDT 
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 1.62", in 24 hours: 1.62" 1.64", in 24 hours: 1.64"
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on November 08, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Basin
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.59", in 24 hours: 0.59"

PJ
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.34", in 24 hours: 0.34"

RGV
Precipitation accumulated since midnight: 0.40", in 24 hours: 0.40"
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on July 21, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
0.42" rain in the Basin so far today!  :celebrate:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 02, 2018, 10:39:28 AM
3.13 inches in the Basin last night   :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 02, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
Dang!  :eusa_eh: :willynilly: :dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 02, 2018, 12:05:29 PM
2.8" at PJ and bam!  now above average for the year at 9.22" (average at 8/31 is 8.73)   :celebrate:  :dance:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Txlj on September 02, 2018, 01:08:11 PM
Talk about back from the dead.....

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Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Hang10er on September 03, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Did it put the fire out?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 03, 2018, 10:28:05 AM
Did it put the fire out?
Yes, according to the FB page.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Homer Wilson on September 03, 2018, 09:14:48 PM
It's nuts out here right now. I've been to the park during some big storms, but I've never seen the whole park like this. Water everywhere. If you cross a little flow channel, there's a good chance there'll be water. Every drainage is probably flowing. You can hear the sounds of running water all over the place. Plus I was hiking in the middle of the desert at 5pm and it was 72 and breezy, beautiful weather! The hard part was avoiding all the standing water and crossing flowing drainages.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on September 03, 2018, 09:28:18 PM
It's nuts out here right now. I've been to the park during some big storms, but I've never seen the whole park like this. Water everywhere. If you cross a little flow channel, there's a good chance there'll be water. Every drainage is probably flowing. You can hear the sounds of running water all over the place. Plus I was hiking in the middle of the desert at 5pm and it was 72 and breezy, beautiful weather! The hard part was avoiding all the standing water and crossing flowing drainages.
Pics and video to follow, I hope.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 03, 2018, 09:30:17 PM
 :eusa_eh: Cattail Falls?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 04, 2018, 05:55:37 AM
It's nuts out here right now. I've been to the park during some big storms, but I've never seen the whole park like this. Water everywhere. If you cross a little flow channel, there's a good chance there'll be water. Every drainage is probably flowing. You can hear the sounds of running water all over the place. Plus I was hiking in the middle of the desert at 5pm and it was 72 and breezy, beautiful weather! The hard part was avoiding all the standing water and crossing flowing drainages.

Awesome, someday I hope to see it like that.   :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 06, 2018, 08:27:06 AM
The recent rains have helped a lot, but the year has still been dry for the Basin.

Jan-April were deficit months. July-August were well below climate normal.

The Basin is currently about 6" deficit to the climate normal.

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018.jpg)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 06, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Great detail BK thanks!
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 06, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
Great detail BK thanks!

Welcome....

Since the Park no longer has a daily report!!!................... .
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 06, 2018, 01:41:34 PM
Another 1.35" fell in the Basin in the last 3 hours!  :icon_eek:

Closing the gap, BK!  :great:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 06, 2018, 08:28:32 PM
The recent rains have helped a lot, but the year has still been dry for the Basin.

Jan-April were deficit months. July-August were well below average.

The Basin is currently about 6" deficit to the average.

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018.jpg)

The climate summary I have shows the Basin should be around 13" on average about now not 16+?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 06, 2018, 11:44:29 PM
The recent rains have helped a lot, but the year has still been dry for the Basin.

Jan-April were deficit months. July-August were well below average.

The Basin is currently about 6" deficit to the average.

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018.jpg)

The climate summary I have shows the Basin should be around 13" on average about now not 16+?

My bad. I included all of Sept in the climate data. Should be 14.16Ē through August. September climate data indicates 2.3Ē, so the deficit is still about about 3 1/2Ē. Iíll update tomorrow to reflect todayís rainfall
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 07, 2018, 06:46:03 AM
Here's an update. - Sept has been a MAJOR improvement over July and August

I did include all of Sept, because of the copious rainfall during the first week of this month. So far, Sept has been the rainiest month of the year....with only a week into it.

The current deficit is 4.05", but Oct can produce normal precip levels approaching Sept normals.

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018_2.jpg)

PS..edited my post to reflect "climate normal" instead of average.

Definition - "Climate Normals are three-decade averages of climatological variables including temperature and precipitation. This product is produced once every 10 years. The 1981Ė2010 U.S. Climate Normals dataset is the latest release of NCEI's Climate Normals."
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Mirth1 on September 07, 2018, 09:11:07 AM
It was beautiful here in the basin After a 2" rain waterfalls came alive You could hear them all over the camp especially over by site 52 The draw by site 19 and 20 was rushing and sounded like a raging river wow
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 07, 2018, 09:22:52 AM
There's a short video on the Big Bend Friends FB page, taken on or around 9/1, that shows Cattail looking much like the photo on the board at the trailhead
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Mirth1 on September 07, 2018, 10:35:51 AM
let me try this again Fridays daily report
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: RichardM on September 07, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
let me try this again Fridays daily report
Is the park posting this online again? A quick search on their website turned up one from last September.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 07, 2018, 11:35:23 AM
let me try this again Fridays daily report
Is the park posting this online again? A quick search on their website turned up one from last September.  :icon_rolleyes:

If they are compiling a daily report (as it appears), they sure are doing a fine job of burying it with no discernable link. (that I can find?)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 07, 2018, 11:44:55 AM
Maybe Mirth got it emailed to him, since he is a host...

==> Sent from Flash's phone
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 07, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
Maybe Mirth got it emailed to him, since he is a host...

==> Sent from Flash's phone

 A link can reach everyone....not just the chosen few.

Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Imre on September 07, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
Quote
If they are compiling a daily report (as it appears), they sure are doing a fine job of burying it with no discernable link.
In August the Daily Report was still posted at the visitor centers...although the one in the basin was a few days late. I can't find a link either.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 07, 2018, 02:57:37 PM
Quote
If they are compiling a daily report (as it appears), they sure are doing a fine job of burying it with no discernable link.
In August the Daily Report was still posted at the visitor centers...although the one in the basin was a few days late. I can't find a link either.

The last daily report with a link was available on Oct 3, 2017. It was always available before that from the link on the weather page.

Here is the link from the "wayback machine" https://web.archive.org/web/20171004122035/https://www.nps.gov/bibe/daily_report.htm

The original link was https://www.nps.gov/bibe/daily_report.htm which currently just generates an error (not a 404). It is a CommonSpot error from a CMS that the NPS uses to generate the park specific web pages.

Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 08, 2018, 10:08:11 AM
It's getting better all the time....

Updated - Sept up to 7.03" with more probable today!

The Climatology norm for a full year is 19.36". Currently sitting at 14.46" with more than 3 months to go.

The Climatology norm for Oct+Nov+Dec = 2.88", so with some more rain in Sept and a normal final quarter, the year might be saved. It's also good to get rain in the late summer, before the dry season sets in.

In addition Persimmon Gap got 4.75" in the past 24 hours!!

I've included plots for 4 of the monitoring stations.

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018_3.jpg)

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018_PJ.jpg)

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018_RGV.jpg)

(http://mirrormagic.com/CasaGrande/Rainfall_2018_PGap.jpg)


Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Jim on September 08, 2018, 11:50:14 AM
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If they are compiling a daily report (as it appears), they sure are doing a fine job of burying it with no discernable link.
In August the Daily Report was still posted at the visitor centers...although the one in the basin was a few days late. I can't find a link either.

The last daily report with a link was available on Oct 3, 2017. It was always available before that from the link on the weather page.

Here is the link from the "wayback machine" https://web.archive.org/web/20171004122035/https://www.nps.gov/bibe/daily_report.htm

The original link was https://www.nps.gov/bibe/daily_report.htm which currently just generates an error (not a 404). It is a CommonSpot error from a CMS that the NPS uses to generate the park specific web pages.

It's odd that Desert Sports can post the current Daily Report on their web site, but the NPS cannot.
https://www.desertsportstx.com/daily-report/

The Daily Report is probably the single most current set of information about park conditions.  And it is probably the most useful web page for those having to travel long distances and are trying to plan their trip based upon those conditions.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: presidio on September 08, 2018, 10:12:14 PM
It's odd that Desert Sports can post the current Daily Report on their web site, but the NPS cannot.
https://www.desertsportstx.com/daily-report/

Is it too much to inquire of Desert Sports how they access the report?
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 08, 2018, 11:11:31 PM
It's odd that Desert Sports can post the current Daily Report on their web site, but the NPS cannot.
https://www.desertsportstx.com/daily-report/

Is it too much to inquire of Desert Sports how they access the report?
They might be transcribing it... maybe from a photo texted from the Park? Note their's is in a different format and they report on Foster's Ranch, which the NPS does not. Curious indeed.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 08, 2018, 11:47:49 PM
It's odd that Desert Sports can post the current Daily Report on their web site, but the NPS cannot.
https://www.desertsportstx.com/daily-report/

Is it too much to inquire of Desert Sports how they access the report?
They might be transcribing it... maybe from a photo texted from the Park? Note their's is in a different format and they report on Foster's Ranch, which the NPS does not. Curious indeed.

Two different reports. I donít think Desert Sports is getting anything from NPS. They are generating their own report.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 09, 2018, 06:12:12 AM
The Climatology norm for a full year is 19.36". Currently sitting at 14.46" with more than 3 months to go.

The Climatology norm for Oct+Nov+Dec = 2.88", so with some more rain in Sept and a normal final quarter, the year might be saved. It's also good to get rain in the late summer, before the dry season sets in.


So the climatology data that I have been looking at (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) has the average total for the Basin at 17.67 a year for 1943-2106.  Hence my slight confusion.

But the 1981-2010 data (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) set does show 19.45" the average.

I have now found the NCDC data (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) which shows your 19.36 for 1981-2010

As Mark Twain said "There are lies, damn lies and statistics"!   :banghead:

And of course none of the data sets for PJ match what is on the Park weather web page.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Mesquito on September 09, 2018, 07:30:08 AM
I camped at Black Gap WMA Friday night.  I was at site 8, about 3 miles or so in from the headquarters. I had no idea how much it had rained that night.  The weather service says Persimmon Gap got 4.38 inches. Getting out Saturday morning was something of an ordeal. The road thru the Gap was destroyed. Lots of debris on the highway between there and Stillwell Store.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 09, 2018, 08:14:41 AM
The Climatology norm for a full year is 19.36". Currently sitting at 14.46" with more than 3 months to go.

The Climatology norm for Oct+Nov+Dec = 2.88", so with some more rain in Sept and a normal final quarter, the year might be saved. It's also good to get rain in the late summer, before the dry season sets in.


So the climatology data that I have been looking at (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) has the average total for the Basin at 17.67 a year for 1943-2106.  Hence my slight confusion.

But the 1981-2010 data (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) set does show 19.45" the average.

I have now found the NCDC data (https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?tx1715) which shows your 19.36 for 1981-2010

As Mark Twain said "There are lies, damn lies and statistics"!   :banghead:

And of course none of the data sets for PJ match what is on the Park weather web page.

ME,

I too have seen these discrepancies. I feel your pain! I just try to be consistent and maybe not 100% correct???? :willynilly:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 09, 2018, 08:04:03 PM
Now there's a photo on FB of the falls at Pine Canyon "falling"


Thankfully I'm here and have to work this week  :pissed:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Mirth1 on September 19, 2018, 10:44:29 AM
https://www.desertsportstx.com/daily-report/    Desert sports post one daily Ill fine out where the park post their Has camp host I get one sent each morning at 9:00 AM
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Mirth1 on September 19, 2018, 10:46:55 AM
Here in the basin we got a nice shower early this morning and it rained off and on the last few days The waterfalls are running again Nothing like last week but running
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: willys66 on September 21, 2018, 10:55:21 PM
It's still raining...

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Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Homer Wilson on September 22, 2018, 12:13:35 AM
Beautiful shot willys66! Nothing like watching rain roll into the dry desert landscape
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 24, 2018, 07:45:35 AM
WTX has been blessed (or cursed in some cases), with abundant rain.
Here is what a flash flood looks like.
This photo was taken on Friday 21 Sept at I10 Bridge - exit #400. Sonora,TX

Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on September 24, 2018, 08:10:37 AM
WTX has been blessed (or cursed in some cases), with abundant rain.
Here is what a flash flood looks like.
This photo was taken on Friday 21 Sept at I10 Bridge - exit #400. Sonora,TX
Is that the Dry Devils River, BK?

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Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 24, 2018, 08:17:52 AM
WTX has been blessed (or cursed in some cases), with abundant rain.
Here is what a flash flood looks like.
This photo was taken on Friday 21 Sept at I10 Bridge - exit #400. Sonora,TX
Is that the Dry Devils River, BK?

==> Sent from Flash's phone

Yep...not exactly Dry.....
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: iCe on September 24, 2018, 09:11:01 AM
Wow
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: mule ears on September 24, 2018, 10:42:47 AM
Amazing!  Looks more like our post Florence flooding here in NC than WTX
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Jim on September 24, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
WTX has been blessed (or cursed in some cases), with abundant rain.
Here is what a flash flood looks like.
This photo was taken on Friday 21 Sept at I10 Bridge - exit #400. Sonora,TX
Is that the Dry Devils River, BK?

==> Sent from Flash's phone

Yep...not exactly Dry.....

But the Sutton County Steakhouse is still open for business !  (barely, from the looks of it)
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
WTX has been blessed (or cursed in some cases), with abundant rain.
Here is what a flash flood looks like.
This photo was taken on Friday 21 Sept at I10 Bridge - exit #400. Sonora,TX
Is that the Dry Devils River, BK?

==> Sent from Flash's phone

Yep...not exactly Dry.....

But the Sutton County Steakhouse is still open for business !  (barely, from the looks of it)

Barely

Sutton County Steakhouse - Good Huevos Rancheros...
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on October 15, 2018, 05:47:04 AM
Rain chances 70%-50% thru Friday!

and

A bit of a cold snap..

WEDNESDAY...Cloudy with rain likely. Highs in the upper 40s in the
mountains to the upper 50s along the Rio Grande. Light and variable
winds becoming north around 10 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain
60 percent.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Txlj on October 15, 2018, 06:20:51 AM
Nice

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Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: badknees on October 16, 2018, 08:01:26 AM
Brrrrrr!

.TODAY...Cloudy with rain likely and isolated thunderstorms. Highs
in the upper 30s in the mountains
to the mid 50s along the Rio
Grande. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation
60 percent.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: alan in shreveport on October 16, 2018, 08:07:54 AM
Brrrrrr!

.TODAY...Cloudy with rain likely and isolated thunderstorms. Highs
in the upper 30s in the mountains
to the mid 50s along the Rio
Grande. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation
60 percent.

Yeah Boy,  nothing like being 30 degrees and wet
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: House Made of Dawn on October 16, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
Brrrrrr!

.TODAY...Cloudy with rain likely and isolated thunderstorms. Highs
in the upper 30s in the mountains
to the mid 50s along the Rio
Grande. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation
60 percent.

Yeah Boy,  nothing like being 30 degrees and wet

Iím surprised Iím not out there somewhere.


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Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Jalco on October 16, 2018, 05:55:23 PM
Brrrrrr!

.TODAY...Cloudy with rain likely and isolated thunderstorms. Highs
in the upper 30s in the mountains
to the mid 50s along the Rio
Grande. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation
60 percent.

Yeah Boy,  nothing like being 30 degrees and wet
Iím surprised Iím not out there somewhere.
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 :s_laugh:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on December 07, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=CSBT2

An inch of rain has fallen since about 2 am today!  :icon_smile:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: rocketman on December 07, 2018, 07:04:17 PM
That should answer any water availability questions for the foreseeable future.  :great:
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: Flash on December 07, 2018, 07:45:03 PM
1.65" at approx. 7 pm.  :great:

https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/time_chart_dyn.cgi?stn=CSBT2&unit=0&hours=25&past=0&day1=0&month1=&year1=&hour1=00&time=LOCAL&var=PREC

Graph shows it has been a pretty steady rain for about 14 hours and is now tapering off.
Title: Re: Rain!
Post by: TxAg15 on December 07, 2018, 09:06:57 PM
Can confirm firsthand. Started raining on us on the ridge on Goat Mountain at 12am and didn't stop all day. Hardly any visibility. Drove to the basin and couldn't see Casa Grande from the store (or even the cabins at points). Finally threw in the towel and went to Alpine for the night. Hoping to start the Chisos tomorrow with dry gear.
Lots of water in all the washes and I'm sure every spring is flowing.