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Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike

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Offline Reece

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2010, 02:50:52 PM »
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Well, there it is; I had no idea that you could not read the Topo; guess I should have asked.
Again, you might want to reconsider Juniper and instead go up from the Basin. The "signage" is much better; the trail well traveled.
Bull Corn!
It's too late to walk it back now, big boy!
You've carried me too far - bought my MSR stove and everything!
I'm hiking up that dang canyon, alright!

Maybe I'll start out with 6 - 1 liter bottles and drop one every hour, "Hansel and Gretel" style going up the canyon until I find water or a dry hole. Then I can just drink my way back down to the truck and head over to Big bend Ranch where I should have been all along, burning donkey dung in my Zip stove at Rancherias springs, smoking cigars and drinking tequila, eh?


Now, you boys know we're just having a little fun here, right?

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2010, 03:15:25 PM »
Summit Fever.....
For 2 years the Fake News Media, Obama's FBI, CIA & DOJ, and Swamp dwelling Politicians COLLUDED, Illegally Spied,and LIED to America about POTUS in order to overturn an election

All the while demanding censorship and removal of opposition Conservative "hate speech" voices.  Globalists Hate Freedom

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2010, 03:24:39 PM »
Fever?
I'm thinking everybody on this board is a little teched in the head. QS, being more polite than me, might call it "eccentric." Shoot, everybody I've ever met in the trans-Pecos has sort of a "wild-eyed" look about them. No body lives out there or visits on purpose without keeping a good edge on their blade.

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2010, 05:44:56 PM »
I don't think anyone here is really eccentric.  I think all the forum members here share a love/respect for BIBE (and any experience in nature). 

Maybe I've been on steeper and more exposed trails, but I just didn't think Juniper trail was all that extreme.  On my scale a trail like Juniper would rate maybe a '4'.  A trail like Blue Creek maybe a '6' (due to no shade, steep and fully exposed to afternoon sun).  Going up the scale, a trail like Tanner Trail in Grand Canyon is closer to an '8' as it was very exposed (one slip and you die), combined with a 4000 ft climb over 9 miles of trail.  Boucher Trail or maybe Nankoweap Trail (both in Grand Canyon) a '9', and something really extreme like the Royal Arch loop a '9.9'.  Never have hiked Boucher, Nankoweap or Royal Arch (probably never will... lol).

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2010, 06:07:13 PM »
Upper Juniper Spring is right on the trail and is really a pipe coming out of the rocks.  If it is running you will not miss it because the ground will be wet.  At least that is my rememberance.  I have never really seen lower Juniper Spring.

I remember the pipe (with water) and the concrete trough.
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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2010, 06:53:19 PM »
Reece, when do you plan to make this hike?  I was just thinking, for peace of mind have you considered getting a PLB?  They are very inexpensive (compared to a life threatening situation), small and lightweight.  One like this could serve your some peace of mind for a very long time:

http://www.fastfindplb.com/en/index.php
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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2010, 08:16:05 PM »
Sorry QS, I didn't mean it as a criticism and certainly didn't mean to put words in your mouth and thanks for the rebuke. "Open rebuke is better than hidden love." "Eccentric, wild-eyed look about them, keeping a good edge on their blade" is the way I like people. You have to admit, the survivors out there are rugged in body and mind - the country makes them that way. Much different from civilized city folk - that was my only point. I know I push the envelope of civility at times, ruffle some feathers, lightly offend a few. My advice is, "Don't take yourself quite so seriously, you'll have more fun in life."

That said, I know this is serious business even though I joke about it. So smite me if I like to have a little fun now and then. Don't worry QS I'm not holding you to account for any of your counsel. I probably won't take much of your advice anyhow, though I do appreciate the map.

I've had my share of life-threatening situations in my day. When I hike solo, I place each and every footstep with care. My wife always makes me promise to come back alive. I'm well aware that each trip could be my last and I prepare accordingly. I have a GPS, a map and compass, a well worn trail and have put about 20 hours of study into this trip. I won't carry a PLB - that's where I draw the line. Everyone has their own personal tolerance level for such things.

I respect everyone on Big Bend Chat and take your comments to heart, even though I may jest at times. Most of you have a lot more experience than me. I've only been backpacking for 6 years or so.

Right or wrong, the danger is part of the allure for me. I feel most alive when I'm nearest death. Call me crazy but at least I'm willing to admit to why I love the wilds of Big Bend. Truth be known, I'm probably more likely to die on the highway driving out and back from Houston than hiking in the park but the wilds "feel" more dangerous and that's why I go. I have a need to prove to myself that I can survive on my own wits and strength alone. I like to measure myself against a hostile environment to see what I can endure physically and mentally. It's one way I exercise my manhood in an increasingly feminized society.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 08:31:51 PM by Reece »

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2010, 09:23:06 PM »
You guys got me curious in the Blue Creek vs Juniper "hike off"

Below are 2 elevation profiles.

1. Starting at the Homer Wilson overlook, up Blue Creek to the Colima Trail and down to Boot Spring.

2. Starting at the end of Juniper Canyon road and up JC trail and down to Boot Spring.

The rest of the hike to the Rim from Boot so I left it out.
I think you will be surprised how similar they are.

BLUE CREEK - max elevation change~ 3039.5 ft over 6.18 miles with a total hike of 7 miles (the last .82 miles is downhill to Boot)





JUNIPER CANYON- max elevation change~ 3107 ft over 5.71 miles with a total hike of 6.2 miles ( most of the last .49 miles is downhill to Boot)

« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 09:38:28 PM by RichardM »
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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2010, 09:30:05 PM »
I should add that I didn't hike up Juniper Trail, I hiked down it when I did the OML.  The first section of the Juniper Trail off of Boot Canyon trail did surprise at how much it CLIMBED without switchbacks at the beginning.  I guess I was expecting Juniper to be nothing but down the entire way from Boot Canyon trail.

Reece, I agree with you that you never feel more alive when you are staring at death from a fall down a vertical cliff.  Sure beats spending life in a cubicle and never having your heart race like that.

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2010, 09:35:43 PM »
Thanks BK for attaching those elevation/distance profiles.  They really aren't all that different when you compare the 2.  In my case, I think Blue Creek seemed tougher as I was already on my third day of hiking, and was a bit dehydrated as I only cached 1 gallon of water at Homer Wilson (big mistake).  I never expected temps to hit upper 80's in early February.  I had begun that day a bit late and was starting from the Smoky Creek intersection with the Dodson trail, which made for a long hike to go from there to Laguna West 1 campsite.  I only rested at Homer Wilson about 20 minutes, in retrospect I should have taken a longer break.

I was in the shade most of the way down Juniper, plus I was on my first day of the hike and was still pretty fresh.  I had taken a long rest near the spur heading towards Emory Peak and was well rested.

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2010, 06:38:14 AM »
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Until you have reached the top it's just a goal.

This I like
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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2010, 11:52:53 AM »
I have done both Juniper and Blue Creek and have always found Juniper to be the more difficult of the two.  At least it always seemed to be that way.  I just know the last time I did Juniper I had to pull out a large hershey bar to get to the top. 

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2010, 11:59:17 AM »
I have done both Juniper and Blue Creek and have always found Juniper to be the more difficult of the two.  At least it always seemed to be that way.  I just know the last time I did Juniper I had to pull out a large hershey bar to get to the top.

I agree with that 100%. Maybe it is just a mental thing, but Blue Creek seems much easier, and I have hiked it twice on day 4 of the OML hike. Yet doing Juniper as a day hike, and then a one nighter on the rim, it seemed much more difficult. I was very surprised by how similar they are-thanks BK's for posting that.

Reece- I think I may have missed your planned trip route in all the pages. Are you doing the OML or just up to the rim for the night and back out Juniper?

~Cookie

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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2010, 12:55:06 PM »
It all depends on water and I don't mind being at the mercy of the elements. It's all part of the experience for me.

Per QS's strict instructions, I will truck camp my first night at Twisted Shoe and "carry all the water I can" whatever that means up Juniper Canyon starting in the morning. I will stop near Juniper Springs in the faint hope of finding water there. If there is no water there, I will weigh my options, amount of daylight left/amount of water in my canteen and perhaps make camp there and try for Boot Springs with a lighter pack. If there is water at Boot Springs I will fill up and go back to camp for 3 nights in the Chisos area. If there is no water, I will go back to camp, sleep the night and hike down in the morning to my truck.

This is my idea:
Then drive over to Big Bend Ranch for a couple of nights near Rancherias Springs.

If anyone has a suggestion or sees holes in my plan, come on with it!
I can't guarantee I'll follow your advice but I'll listen. QS is the only poster I will follow blindly because I have actually gotten to know him in person and I know him to be knowledgeable, kind, and considerate and he always puts personal interest aside and considers what's best for the country when he speaks.
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Re: Training for my upcoming Juniper Canyon hike
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2010, 02:31:17 PM »
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If you feel I have embarrassed you, and/or offended you, it was not my intent, and I apololgize.
First off, you can't embarrass a natural born fool. No worries there!
Second, I'm going to hike Juniper trail. You might just as well accept the fact.
I'll probably start up the trail with 4 liters of water since I've lightened up my pack, per your excellent suggestions, with the new hot shot stove, a 1-man tent, and depending on the weather a lighter sleeping bag. If there is water, I will be sleeping 2 nights on the trail and 2 nights at the trail head. Everything else is like you said, misunderstanding and failure to communicate.

ps. I talked to a ranger this morning about water on the trail. She was noncommittal as I expected but when I asked her if there was a place I could go on the web for timely water availability updates she mentioned Big Bend Chat. Her reference was interesting. She said she had never visited the site but that she had heard that there was a lot of misinformation there. Hmm...nice to know the Feds. have your back.

 


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