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Offline mbender

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2019, 06:48:35 PM »

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2019, 08:46:42 PM »

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2019, 10:08:48 AM »
Gotcha. Here is some equipment that I purchased for lowering my own pack weight.

-ULA Circuit- 2.3 lbs compared to my Gregory Baltoro 75 - 4.83lbs
-Yama Gear 1P Cirriform Tarp - 12oz paired with MLD Bug Bivy 2 - 7oz compared to BA Copper Spur UV 2 -50oz
-Removed my 15 oz Nemo Fillo pillow and used my heavyweight fleece jacket instead
- Zpacks food bag  -1.5oz compared to Urasack Minor - 5oz
- Removed my 12oz Platypus Gravity Filter for Aquamira tabs

North Face's Guide or Cats Meow 20 degree sleeping bag is a good choice. I prefer Enlightened Equipments Convert though, as the insulation is fully supportive, instead of just on the top and sides. It can be opened up as well, so that sweating doesn't occur during the early night temperatures.

Thermarest Xtherm is a solid choice for reducing weight as well.

BTW I buy 90% of my gear used on Backpackinglight.co m "gear swap". A lot of people use stuff once and then realize backpacking isn't their thing.

I've decided to go with a tarp instead of tent. Sanctuary Siltarp 20 0z with guylines and stakes. Not sure if I'll get a bivy or not. I have mosquito netting material at home leftover from on old patio canopy from which I might fashion my own.
I'm taking a 30 pack of the katadyn water purifer tabs. I do have a purifier but it's a Katadyn Hiker pro-11 oz, I may leave it in the car or purchase a lighter one. I like to have redundancy in case I forget to pack something.
Haven't decided yet on pillow vs clothes in a bag.  It's the suffering vs pleasure paradigm that ElHombre mentioned. On my canoe trips I take my 2 favorite pillows from home!
Heres my base so far:
Backpack: 2lb 10 oz Osprey exos
Shelter: Tarp stakes guyline 20 0z
Sleeping Pad: Thermarest Ridgerest 14oz
Sleeping Bag: TBD
I've found a couple of the northface meow sleeping bags on backpackinglite gearswap fro $45-$50 but they were gone in a flash. They were the womens model but what the heck. I won't tell anyone.
 I got the ridge rest and a msr pocket rocket 2 on the labor day sale at rei.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2019, 02:12:13 PM »
If you have a buff, it makes a terrific pillow case around a stuff sack of clothes. Personally I find that preferable to a blowup pillow, and itís a 0 oz pillow since I always have the buff in my gear anyway.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2019, 02:58:50 PM »
Looks like your on the right track. Once you lighten your load you start to wonder how you ever hauled that much weight to begin with. I added just 3 lbs of pack weight on a recent hike and was amazed how much more difficult the hike was.

Depending on the temperature, a lightweight Nemo Fillo pillow might make more sense. My NF Campshire Fleece is wayy more comfortable than any pillow out there.  It weighs 18 ounces though, compared to my 10 ounce Nemo Fillo. I'm too cheap for replacing an insulated jacket after each season just to keep them warm. If weather didn't require a jacket, then I'd opt for a pillow. For a pillow, do yourself a favor and get one that incorporates a foam layer.

Regarding the women's Cat Meow, I would avoid that at all cost. The women version is significantly bulkier than the mens, as women tend to run 10 degree colder than men. It has a wider section around the hip area as well.  It's way too bulky for your Exos backpack.

I think you may have trouble sleeping on the Ridgerest pad out in BIBE, but then again I don't know your sleeping tolerance. I did it in Utah for about 2 months straight, but I was sleeping on sand not compacted soil. I'd give it a test run on the floors in your home, before you head out into the backcountry.


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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2019, 12:46:28 PM »
It's all coming together.
Here's what I got so far. Suggestions always welcome. I have applied some of the advice I have received from you all's comments in this thread.
Backpack Osprey exos 2lb 11 0z
Sleeping bag  Marmot Trestles 2lb 11 oz
Sleeping pads - Klymit static v 19oz, under it to avoid punctures is the ridgrest 14oz  Total 2lb 1oz
Shelter is a Paria Sanctuary SilTarp with stakes and guylines 1lb 5oz
Total 8lb 12oz, I'll add some more higher quality stakes  that should bring that base weight up to 9lb

Clothes in backpack:
Base layer shirt - 8oz  Base layer pants 8oz -     2 pair wool socks and 1 pair sock liners total 9oz  -   Wool shirt 11oz  -  Jacket 13 oz  -  Rain Jacket (sterns walmart type) 15oz  -  Rain pants (sterns walmart type) 11oz  -  Wool cap 4oz  -  gloves 4oz
Total for clothes - 5lb 3oz  YIKES!  :icon_eek:

Kitchen - Coffee cup 7oz  -  6 paper filters  - half an ounce  -  Coffeemaker  -  5oz  -  Coffee  - tbd  -  Stove MSR pocket rocket 4oz  -  fuel canister 7.5oz  -  lighter 1oz  -  spork tbd  - pot to boil in 8oz 
Total for kitchen so far 2lb 1oz.  Could lose the coffee maker and filter and go with instant packets. get a lighter cup and pot

Water Purification - Katadyn Hiker Pro - 13 oz  YIKES  :icon_eek:  Micropur purification tablets TBD

Hygiene and first aid - Microfibre rag 1oz  -  Toilet paper 1 and a half oz  -  Wipes -  1oz  -  toothbrush, paste, and hand sanitizer all together 4 oz  First Aid kit 9oz
Total - 1 lb 1 oz.  (still need leukotape and to add in weight of my rx pills (6 tablets)

Other - Maps - 4oz (Natgeo trails map, Emory peak 7.5 quad) -  Compass 1oz  -  solar blanket 3oz  -  headlamp 3oz  -  flashlight 2oz  -  mirror 1 and a half ounce  -  gear repair kit - 1 and a half ounce  -  sunblock 3 and a half ounces  -  Off! 4oz  - reading glasses 1oz  -  matches 1oz  -  extra batteries 2oz  -stake hammer 7oz
Total 1lb 18 oz

Water and food total 13 lb.

Total weight - 33lb 3oz  Still need to buy leukotape, micropur tablets, get a length of duct tape, possibly a net shelter to go under my tarp, electrolytes to add to water,
I'm carrying my knife in my pocket and a leatherman in a belt sheath

My plan is a 4 day 3 night modified OML CCW starting at Homer Wilson - Dodson-Juniper Creek- Rim- Blue Creek back to Homer Wilson.  October 27-30 God willing.
Once that's done, I'm meeting my brother in the basin and going back up into the Chisos for 2 more nights.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2019, 01:03:15 PM »

You won't need rain pants period.  You don't need both a jacket and a rain jacket.  Probably neither.  You almost surely won't need a water filter.

You don't need a quad map.  You don't need both a head lamp and a flashlight.  You won't need a solar blanket.  I agree on going with instant coffee packets.
Wake me when it's time to go.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2019, 02:39:17 PM »
Looking Good!

I would get a Titanium cup with a lid for ALL cooking and hot drink needs.
https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-LIGHT-Titanium-Ultralight-Version/dp/B00CYA26BU/ref=pd_cp_468_4?pd_rd_w=uIKrp&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=K42FXPD1AT356PE1FXYG&pd_rd_r=4ec21bb6-ab13-49bf-9612-200e0fc56d6d&pd_rd_wg=9y2b5&pd_rd_i=B00CYA26BU&psc=1&refRID=K42FXPD1AT356PE1FXYG

I too would only bring rain pants if the weather forecast says it may rain.  One headlamp is good with no extra batteries if you start with new ones.  Just be sure the headlamp has the locking feature, and you know how to use it so that it doesn't accidently get left on.  Either way, most headlamps can stay on for 60+ hours on new batteries.

Base layer shirt and wool shirt are too much.  Wool shirt would be my only choice.  If it gets cold, you can put on your wool shirt, hiking shirt, jacket AND your rain coat.  4 Layers!    Base layer pants may be too much.  Only bring them if you know it will be very cold.  You most likely won't stay up long enough at night to need them.  2nd pair of socks can act as your gloves if you need any.

Water filter AND tablets are a good choice just in case the filter craps out on you.  Emory quad is nice becaue it really helps a person figure out where they are on the Dodson trail.  Also, if you climb a hill to watch the sunset, you can pick out features labeled on the map. 

There are plenty of "stake hammers" laying around on the ground in the form of rocks.  Tooth paste is a luxury, but I always bring a brush. 

Does the pocket rocket come with a Pizzo lighter?  If so, just get a small backup lighter and leave the matches at home.  My small lighter fits inside the MSR plastic container with the pizzo and stove.

You didn't mention anything for trash, used TP, used baby wipers, or shovel for a poop hole??  Also, have you looked at a neck warmer before?  Doesn't weigh much.  It's good to keep you much warmer in the wind, and you can pull it over your eyes in the morning to get a little extra sleep.  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Zan-Headgear-Microfleece-Neck-Warmer-Black-OSFM/442656531

What's your water plan?  How much are you going to carry and where will you resupply?
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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2019, 03:00:22 PM »
+1 on Catz list. I, personally, would include dropping the Mirror, Compass, Sunblock (assuming you have a wide brim hat and long sleeve 150wt wool shirt), OFF (or just spray your clothes down with permethrin), Stake hammer, extra batteries, Knife (depending on size)

For a rain jacket I'd use the link below. You will not need rain pants, unless you are wearing cotton pants while hiking  :eusa_hand:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007X5XDU4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


BTW, I plan on doing the OML a day or two before you. Let me know when it gets closer if you need me to cache you some water at Juniper.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2019, 03:52:02 PM »

You won't need rain pants period.  You don't need both a jacket and a rain jacket.  Probably neither.  You almost surely won't need a water filter.

You don't need a quad map.  You don't need both a head lamp and a flashlight.  You won't need a solar blanket.  I agree on going with instant coffee packets.
Thanks Catz!
Do you have any OML trip reports I can go check out? I may have read some already, I've been reading everyone's reports in the OML section, think I'm to page 11.

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2019, 04:05:00 PM »
Thanks ElHombre.
If the forecast looks moderate when I'm fixing to leave the car at the trailhead, I'll ditch some of the extra clothes and rain gear. I'm taking a large ziplock to put the toilet paper/trash in. I'm hoping to find one that is some shade of color and not clear so I can easily distinguish it from my other baggied items. For a trowel i was planning on using the heel of my boot. Water plan: Leave the trailhead with 4 liters, reup at Fresno, Juniper springs, and boot spring. I hope to take up DeserTrek on his offer to cache some at the Juniper trailhead.  That stretch between Fresno and Upper Juniper may be a little too far without resupply. I will definitley be taking your gear suggestions under consideration.

Looking Good!

I would get a Titanium cup with a lid for ALL cooking and hot drink needs.
https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-LIGHT-Titanium-Ultralight-Version/dp/B00CYA26BU/ref=pd_cp_468_4?pd_rd_w=uIKrp&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=K42FXPD1AT356PE1FXYG&pd_rd_r=4ec21bb6-ab13-49bf-9612-200e0fc56d6d&pd_rd_wg=9y2b5&pd_rd_i=B00CYA26BU&psc=1&refRID=K42FXPD1AT356PE1FXYG

I too would only bring rain pants if the weather forecast says it may rain.  One headlamp is good with no extra batteries if you start with new ones.  Just be sure the headlamp has the locking feature, and you know how to use it so that it doesn't accidently get left on.  Either way, most headlamps can stay on for 60+ hours on new batteries.

Base layer shirt and wool shirt are too much.  Wool shirt would be my only choice.  If it gets cold, you can put on your wool shirt, hiking shirt, jacket AND your rain coat.  4 Layers!    Base layer pants may be too much.  Only bring them if you know it will be very cold.  You most likely won't stay up long enough at night to need them.  2nd pair of socks can act as your gloves if you need any.

Water filter AND tablets are a good choice just in case the filter craps out on you.  Emory quad is nice becaue it really helps a person figure out where they are on the Dodson trail.  Also, if you climb a hill to watch the sunset, you can pick out features labeled on the map. 

There are plenty of "stake hammers" laying around on the ground in the form of rocks.  Tooth paste is a luxury, but I always bring a brush. 

Does the pocket rocket come with a Pizzo lighter?  If so, just get a small backup lighter and leave the matches at home.  My small lighter fits inside the MSR plastic container with the pizzo and stove.

You didn't mention anything for trash, used TP, used baby wipers, or shovel for a poop hole??  Also, have you looked at a neck warmer before?  Doesn't weigh much.  It's good to keep you much warmer in the wind, and you can pull it over your eyes in the morning to get a little extra sleep.  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Zan-Headgear-Microfleece-Neck-Warmer-Black-OSFM/442656531

What's your water plan?  How much are you going to carry and where will you resupply?

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2019, 04:11:38 PM »
No cotton for me. :eusa_snooty: Thanks for the link and the advice. And especially for the offer to cache water at the Juniper trailhead. If everything goes according to plan I will be in touch.My goal is to be at no more than 30 lb and I think I can make it using  the suggestions I'm getting here.
+1 on Catz list. I, personally, would include dropping the Mirror, Compass, Sunblock (assuming you have a wide brim hat and long sleeve 150wt wool shirt), OFF (or just spray your clothes down with permethrin), Stake hammer, extra batteries, Knife (depending on size)

For a rain jacket I'd use the link below. You will not need rain pants, unless you are wearing cotton pants while hiking  :eusa_hand:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007X5XDU4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


BTW, I plan on doing the OML a day or two before you. Let me know when it gets closer if you need me to cache you some water at Juniper.

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2019, 10:00:40 PM »
Ridgerest+klymit seems like a lot of weight, and I doubt you need the extra warmth. Might consider swapping that for something like a tyvek  ground cloth.  Agree the rain gear seems heavy / overkill for what you need.

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2019, 03:23:23 PM »
I'm packing and planning with worst case scenarios in mind and thats probably why I'm overpacking.
Rain gear: Say It's  about 4pm on the Dodson and a heavy rain comes in and I don't have a rain jacket. I get my tarp set up in a bad weather pitch ok to get out of the rain. A front is moving in and temps will be in the 4o's overnite.  I change into my dry wool shirt and bottom base layer and dry socks. So now I have shelter and dry clothes, so far so good. I'll have to change back into my wet pants tomorrow, but they're polyester and will hopefully dry over nite, so I won't have to hike out in cold morning weather with wet pants or in my base layer undies. If it's still raining and cold the next morning, with no rain shell, I'm stuck in my shelter. With a rain shell, I can break camp and keep hiking. I don't mind at all being wet, just not wet and cold. I know the chances of rain are slim and extended rain slimmer, but rain seems to follow me around on my camping trips, whether it's forecast or not. I may get one of those S1.98  clear plastic ponchos just to get me through the trip. Throwing out the rain gear and using a pair of socks for gloves saves me 2lbs! Thanks
Stake hammer: Yeah, that's gotta go. Only thing is,  anytime I'm involved in a combination of me exerting force and a rock, it usually ends up bad for me. I can only hope there are a lot of hammer shaped rocks laying around.
Sleeping pads: So originally I was going to just go with a ridgerest, but knowing myself, I would be really uncomfortable. But I didn't want an inflatable, because all I gotta do is look at one and it springs a leak. But I came across a good deal on a Klymit inflatable, already had the ridge rest, so decided to use the ridgerest under the Klymit to help keep it from getting punctured. Not sure if a Tyvek would work for that purpose not having used it before.  I'm going to get some tyvek anyway, if I don't use it on this trip, I'll use it in the future.
Water filter: If I can lose enough pounds elsewhere I'll keep the katadyn. If not, I'll have to ditch it and shell out for a sawyer mini squeeze. Over half a lb. lighter.  Tablets only are fine but I like redundancy and might not have the option to wait four hours. Thank you DeserTrek for the cache offer, I was eventually going to ask for help on that or hitch a ride out there to leave some.
Kitchen: Instant starbucks or Alpine packets. One pot for boiling and drinking instead of having a pot and a cup. Looking at used titanium pots on backpackinglite gear swap. Can lose about a lb. there. Won't hurt me too much to drink instant for a few days :eusa_boohoo:
Miscellaneous: lose the lighter, extra batteries, Having the headlamp with new batteries and a cell phone in my pants pocket will do for lighting. Will keep the map and compass because I'm a map and compass nerd and that's one of the things I'm looking forward to in this particular setting. If I'm still over, my pillow will be clothes wrapped up in a jacket or shirt (if I'm not using them in the freezing rainstorm)

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Re: Weighing gear
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2019, 05:11:00 PM »
I'm taking a large ziplock to put the toilet paper/trash in. I'm hoping to find one that is some shade of color and not clear so I can easily distinguish it from my other baggied items. For a trowel i was planning on using the heel of my boot. Water plan: Leave the trailhead with 4 liters, reup at Fresno, Juniper springs, and boot spring.

Use a 20oz Gaterade bottle for your trash.  You can use a ram rod (hiking stick) and stuff that thing full up.  Then screw the cap back on, and it doesn't leak.  The rules for pooping in the desert are not rules like the 45 MPH speed limit in the park.  They are such because people don't want their water sources contaminated, nor want to have the trail smell like your walking on a street in downtown Austin.   You need to dig a hole at least 6 inches deep to crap in.  The hole needs to be at least 100 feet from the trail. And it MUST be 300 feet ( a Football Field) away from a water source.   Use a 2 bag system for your TP.  One bag holds the poopy paper, and the other bag holds the clean TP, along with the used poopy paper bag inside.  Don't use cheap HEB freezer bags.  Get the Ziplock ones.  Your boot heel isn't going to make a dent in the ground out there.  On your hike, I guarantee you will see, and most likely smell some left over poo and TP that some snowflake candy ass didn't have the balls to take care of properly.  Please do the right thing.  It's the small price of admission for hiking in the back country away from the front country sheeple.

The walk to Fresno from Homer will take around 4+ hours with rest stops.  If you tank up at car before you leave, 4liters would be too much in my opinion.  2+ liters and a brand new 20 oz Gaterade should get you to Fresno without much problem.
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