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OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?

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Offline presidio

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 01:34:16 PM »

The PLB is for search and rescue...

Who will respond? If there is no answer to the phone call, the nearest formal SAR unit is immediately advised and activated.

Interesting, so it would contact the very same agency that attempted to dissuade the OP from the activity. Brilliant

Well, in the case of the NPS, that might well be who gets the call. Especially in Big Bend, where there is no state jurisdiction. However, in other NPS areas, it might be the Sheriff or organized SAR unit that is first contacted.

Outside the NPS, it is extraordinarily rare for anyone to attempt to dissuade a person from going and doing what they want. Nobody else holds your hand like the NPS. Elsewhere, you are on your own and expected to fend for yourself.

SAR statistics are hard to come by, except for the NPS where data on tens of thousands incidents may be found.

Gut feeling? The great majority of SAR events resulting from recreation in the US are in NPS areas, and other heavily managed, highly regulated places like state parks, ski areas, etc. These places attract folks having few outdoor skills or believe their skills to be greater than what they actually possess (too much opportunity, not enough common sense).

Witness the couple which nearly died in BBRSP a few years back...they considered themselves "experienced" because they routinely hiked a few, short, defined trails in the BIBE Basin; they immediately found themselves in dire straits, literally within minutes of establishing a campsite in a state park that atypically (and wonderfully) did not present the standard "park" environment.

Numerically, there are far fewer SAR events in truly wild areas where few or no services exist. That partly is due to the much lower use levels, but at the same time, non-park users clearly are more capable outdoorspersons as a demographic. On the other hand, NPS areas just colossally attract large numbers of the inept, who seem to think outdoor knowledge, personal safety and responsibility are not things they have to worry about.

That said, the NPS is a rescue junkie organization. They revel in SAR opportunities and fill their hero wall with the idiots (and unprepared and just unfortunates) they have to save from themselves.
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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 06:41:26 PM »
This thread has gone from what can do in the summer to what not do in the summer. 
 

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2018, 02:27:34 PM »
There is always activities of the 4x4 variety.
I typically head to the Big Bend Area around Xmas, but I'm wanting to do a summer trip.
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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 07:55:57 AM »
This thread has gone from what can do in the summer to what not do in the summer.
Thatís funny


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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 07:59:00 AM »
I love the summer time in the Bend.  Particularly June as no one is there.  It's awesome.    The only thing I don't do (sorry, Jim) is hang out too long by the river.  And the hot springs?  Fugetaboutit.

But anything in the mountains is doable and you'll likely have most of it to yourself.

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2018, 09:23:58 AM »
I use big bend in the summer as a proving ground for my vehicles. I give them one heck of a test on there ability to keep cool. I have learned alot over the years on ways to keep a vehicle cool with extreme desert heat and slow driving. If you want any tips on that just let me know.


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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2018, 10:53:31 AM »
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July and August are in the rainy season,

In my experience in August you are more likely to find water in the Chisos than not. Here's a sampling from Boot Spring. If you're going to hike in the Chisos in August my advice is to be sure your are prepared for thunderstorms, including hail.

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2018, 02:26:04 PM »
I plan on heading out there next week for my first summertime trip in BBNP. I'll be in the park for 3-4 days and intend to hit the Pine Canyon, Burro Mesa Pouroff, South Rim, and the Mariscal Canyon Rim Trail. The last one is going to be the toughest logistically but if I get on the River Road at first light I can hit the trail by 9am at the latest.

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »


If you're going to hike in the Chisos in August my advice is to be sure your are prepared for thunderstorms, including hail.

Absolutely.   I've been in thunderstorms and even hail while backpacking the upper Chisos. Not a fun experience with lightning striking all around and marble sized sized hail pounding on you. All times were in June, July and August.  And they come out of nowhere.

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2018, 04:58:48 PM »
What are the snakes like in August in the Chisos?  More likely to be an issue or not?  I should probably fear other things more but the one thing I'm concerned about more than lack of water is a snake bite several miles from help.  That said, in the past 10 years I've seen exactly one rattlesnake and all he wanted to do was warm up in the morning sun and then politely move along. This was at GMNP. 

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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2018, 09:12:41 PM »
What are the snakes like in August in the Chisos?  More likely to be an issue or not?  I should probably fear other things more but the one thing I'm concerned about more than lack of water is a snake bite several miles from help.  That said, in the past 10 years I've seen exactly one rattlesnake and all he wanted to do was warm up in the morning sun and then politely move along. This was at GMNP.

One snake in 10 years?

I suggest you should worry more about lightning striking you, which is the greater hazard in August.
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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2018, 09:55:24 PM »
What are the snakes like in August in the Chisos?  More likely to be an issue or not?  I should probably fear other things more but the one thing I'm concerned about more than lack of water is a snake bite several miles from help.  That said, in the past 10 years I've seen exactly one rattlesnake and all he wanted to do was warm up in the morning sun and then politely move along. This was at GMNP.

One snake in 10 years?

I suggest you should worry more about lightning striking you, which is the greater hazard in August.

Nah, I carry a 1 iron with me when I hike if lightning is present.


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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2018, 10:33:33 AM »
I use big bend in the summer as a proving ground for my vehicles. I give them one heck of a test on there ability to keep cool. I have learned alot over the years on ways to keep a vehicle cool with extreme desert heat and slow driving. If you want any tips on that just let me know.

I'd be interested.  What kind of vehicles and what tips?  I could see it being a problem if your rigs aren't maintained for sure.
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Re: OK Then, What Can We Do In The Summer?
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2018, 10:46:50 PM »
I suggest you should worry more about lightning striking you, which is the greater hazard in August.

Very true.  I believe the only fatality in the upper Chisos in the last 20 years was due to lightning.   A camper at the old Emory Peak campsite.

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