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BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper

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Offline kevint

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BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« on: September 01, 2014, 02:27:41 PM »
I'm planning a visit to BBRSP this fall hopefully if I can bring the family camper along.  The camper is marketed as "Off Road" which may be a bit of an overstatement but it does have a higher clearance and more capable suspension than typical pop-ups and toy haulers.  I've shared pictures before but as a reminder, here is the camper in question.










The park website states that trailers and motorhomes are not recommended but horse trailers make it in and out so I am hopeful.


I've reviewed the locations and access roads of all the vehicle accessible campsites in BBRSP, reviewed the campsite guide posted at http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_bk_p4501_2059.pdf and have been studying Google Earth (thanks to Lance for making that much easier) to try to figure out whether I can get myself turned around once I get to a campsite.  I've developed a short list of campsites that I think might work.


None of this is a substitute for first hand knowledge so I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has camped at these locations regarding


  • Do you think I can maneuver around to park the camper and get turned around to pull it back out?
  • How level are the sites?  The camper is able to get a lot of places but doesn't have much leeway on levelling.
  • Interesting points of interest near the campsites not already covered in the campsite guide.
  • Anything else.


I'm not trying to be too ambitious on this first trip.  Once in the park, I can do my own scouting for future trips.  Right now my short list looks like this:


Papalote Colorado
Los Ojitos
La Posta
Ojo Escondido
Papalote Encino
Papalote Llano
Javalin
Papalote Rancho Viejo


and, if necessary South Leyva Campground.


Once deployed the camper looks like this:





Thanks for any help you can give.







-- Kevin (W5KLT)

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Offline dillomaster

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 08:34:50 PM »
Nice set up!  I'm hoping for an "off road" camper set up one of these days...

First off, I'm a big believer that the driver is way more important than the hardware in most situations.  I've seen 2X trucks and campers get to some crazy spots - and credit the skill and experience of the drivers (and maybe a little luck.)

Looking at your setup I don't anticipate you will have any problems with the sites you have mentioned.  Looks like you have a good spare for the trailer (and I'm assuming for the truck as well.)  When in doubt - go slow - and you should be fine.

I have not been to all of these sites, but based on the ones I have been to I would expect you will be able to back your trailer into the parking spot without too much trouble. I recall the spots being reasonably level.

They are all great spots - pretty much guaranteed 360 views anywhere in the park.

Have fun!!!

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 01:17:33 PM »
Kevin, that looks like a heck of a rig! I can't say that I have any experience with anything like that, but I can that that if it behaves like a single axle horse trailer that you should be fine out in BBR.

My advice would be to take it easy at first,... feel it out and let us know what works. As far as the campsites that you listed, I would say that all but Javelin would probably be tenable in that rig. All of those sites provide ample turn-around space (Ojo Escodido and Papalote Encino have the most) and are all fairly level.  I have gotten a horse trailer down to Javalin before, but it was a very rough and slow ride. I would probably avoid Guale Mesa and Fresno Canyon (Fresno or Rincon camps) entirely. The Solitario is a toss up, though I would imagine you could make it to Tres Papalotes if you are careful. Just make sure and call ahead for road conditions!

As far as other things to see, well, you are sipping from a fire hose there! The campsite guide does an excellent job of describing the points of interest around the sites themselves, but it is a huge park with untold wonders that have yet to be adequately explored. It really is a huge sandbox of adventure, but the guide is an excellent start.
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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2014, 03:21:32 PM »
Thanks, Ranger Tim.  I appreciate the advice.  I had a chance to get some tips from Gary Nored as well and got pretty consistent advice I think.  I'll review both sets of suggestions later and pick something soon.
For this tip I'll shoot for something low risk and do some scouting for future trips while I'm there. 
 
Appreciate the input.
-- Kevin (W5KLT)

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 04:15:42 PM »
That sounds like a good plan for any reconnaissance trip to BBRSP! Work from the known into the unknown and carry two spares! Of course that begs the question, do you need two spares for the trailer too?
"The greatest happiness possible to man ... is to become civilized, to know the pageant of the past, to love the beautiful,... and then, retaining animal instincts and appetites, to live in the wilderness"
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Offline kevint

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014, 01:49:26 PM »
That sounds like a good plan for any reconnaissance trip to BBRSP! Work from the known into the unknown and carry two spares! Of course that begs the question, do you need two spares for the trailer too?
Thanks for your help.  Just reserved Los Ojitos.  It will only be a couple of days so I probably won't make it to the worst roads that require 2 spares.  I'll check the maps well in advance and have a plan.  As you say, this is a reconnaissance trip working from "known" to unknown.
-- Kevin (W5KLT)

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014, 04:28:39 PM »
Kevin, the rocks in BBRSP are harder and sharper even on the main road in, which is not paved, than in BBNP which is why 2 spares are recommended.  The trick is to go slow and you should be fine. I have a friend who had three flats the first time he went to BBRSP but the tires were pretty worn and he later admitted he was driving fast.

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014, 02:12:35 PM »
And FWIW, my buddy and I have been into the Ranch twice, one week trips each covering a good bit of ground and had no flats. (Knock wood!!! I don't want 'em next time.) Now, we were rolling on relative new BFG AT's in load range E, so good rubber and lots of side walls. We're also there to see, not race, so drive pretty slow. We had multiple jacks, spares, and plug kits.

Those roads are hard on tires, though. I could easily see the wear after just being in there for a week. Have fun, enjoy the trip!

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Re: BBRSP Campsites That Can Accomodate my Camper
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2014, 10:15:07 AM »
Kevin, the rocks in BBRSP are harder and sharper even on the main road in, which is not paved, than in BBNP which is why 2 spares are recommended.  The trick is to go slow and you should be fine. I have a friend who had three flats the first time he went to BBRSP but the tires were pretty worn and he later admitted he was driving fast.
Thanks Al.  Haven't heard much from you in awhile.
-- Kevin (W5KLT)

"It's not an adventure until something goes wrong."  --Yvon Chouinard

 


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