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Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?

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Offline BlindWilly

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Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« on: January 24, 2018, 03:10:45 PM »
Has anyone been on either trail lately with a 4x4?
Last year I was able to hit Paseo Al Solitario and it was a bit challenging but oh so much fun!
I remember Ranger Tim stating that Botella Trail was very rough. (So Ranger Tim, if you're reading this, I'd love your input)
Is it still available to drive? 
Hopefully I can come out this spring to tackle Botella Trail, and I'm wondering if it's comparable to the Paseo trail?
I'm trying to get some folks together and I'm pre-planning a route, depending on their skill levels.
If I don't make it this spring, then I for sure have a trip planned for the week between Xmas and NYE. If that's the case, I'll check back again closer to that time.

Thanks in Advance!!!

ps. attached are a few photos of us on Paseo Al Solitario trail.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2018, 08:17:24 AM »
It has been since last spring since I was out on the Botella Road, but it has never really been as difficult as Paseo al Solitario. You should be fine if you stick to this road, though I will say that the adjacent Black Hills road is extremely hard to follow from either end and I have only ever successfully traveled it by bicycle.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 06:58:37 PM »
It has been since last spring since I was out on the Botella Road, but it has never really been as difficult as Paseo al Solitario. You should be fine if you stick to this road, though I will say that the adjacent Black Hills road is extremely hard to follow from either end and I have only ever successfully traveled it by bicycle.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 01:30:37 PM »
It has been since last spring since I was out on the Botella Road, but it has never really been as difficult as Paseo al Solitario. You should be fine if you stick to this road, though I will say that the adjacent Black Hills road is extremely hard to follow from either end and I have only ever successfully traveled it by bicycle.
Thank you for replying.
I remember you mentioning an east and west side of the trail.  Is one of those the Black Hills Road?
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 01:31:19 PM »
It has been since last spring since I was out on the Botella Road, but it has never really been as difficult as Paseo al Solitario. You should be fine if you stick to this road, though I will say that the adjacent Black Hills road is extremely hard to follow from either end and I have only ever successfully traveled it by bicycle.
Oh now you're just teasing him!  :icon_wink:
HA!  you're right, you know...   8)
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 03:45:03 PM »
Update:  Looks like I'll be only going on a winter trip this year. 
Leaving DFW on Dec 26th, returning DEC 31st.
As of now my main goal is Casa Ramon and the NW portion of the park.  I have one couple that have never been out this way, so there may be more stops within the park.
Will be meeting with them and the rest of the crew in May at the Lone Star Toyota Jamboree in Gilmer, TX.
I'll have a working itinerary soon after that. 
Can't wait to come out and visit!
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 10:32:22 AM »
I'll be out that way in the next month or so and I will grab some pics and give y'all a condition report. The panhandle really is the most remote part of the park and typically presents the most problems in terms of vehicle damage, road condition, and navigation. If at all possible, try to always travel in groups and bring two spares!!
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 01:22:41 PM »
I'll be out that way in the next month or so and I will grab some pics and give y'all a condition report. The panhandle really is the most remote part of the park and typically presents the most problems in terms of vehicle damage, road condition, and navigation. If at all possible, try to always travel in groups and bring two spares!!
Thanks!  I would love to see the photos and get your assessment on the conditions.  Granted, things will probably change out there between May and December.
Are you driving up into the Cienega area?
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 03:26:18 PM »
I'll probably only make it up as far as Alamito Creek. In six years I have only made it as far as the Cienega Gorge once,... and we very nearly did not make it back!!
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2018, 12:27:44 PM »
Why, what happened?
It's funny, it doesn't look far on the map, but I know how that goes, haha. 
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 03:34:27 PM »
I'll probably only make it up as far as Alamito Creek. In six years I have only made it as far as the Cienega Gorge once,... and we very nearly did not make it back!!
Hope you had a good trip out that way.  How was it?
Did you drive a vehicle or hike out that way?

So I looked up the Cienega Gorge area, I'm going to show my map to the group going out there and see what they think.
I want to make it to Casa Ramon to camp, then spend a day or two up in that area exploring the 4x4 trails.
Most of us will be camping together in about 2 weeks at the Toyota Jamboree, so we'll have some time to go over plans.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2018, 02:09:35 PM »
Hi Ranger Tim,
Just checking back to see if you were able to make it up to the NW side of the park.
If so, how was the 4x4 conditions out there?
Inquiring minds want to know.   :great:
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2018, 02:36:48 PM »
Unfortunately not. This isn't a great time of year to be getting into the backcountry. I hope to get up there in late summer, so check back in then.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2018, 03:34:09 PM »
Unfortunately not. This isn't a great time of year to be getting into the backcountry. I hope to get up there in late summer, so check back in then.
Will do, and thanks again.
As of now I'm still planning Dec 26th - 31st of this year out in the park again.  I'll bug you some more as the time gets closer. 
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2018, 12:49:24 AM »
Unfortunately not. This isn't a great time of year to be getting into the backcountry. I hope to get up there in late summer, so check back in then.
Will do, and thanks again.
As of now I'm still planning Dec 26th - 31st of this year out in the park again.  I'll bug you some more as the time gets closer.

While you're waiting on that, you may want to check out this report that I made for a trip in 2013 to the northwest part of the park.  We went to Chupadera and Cat Springs, several miles from Casa Ramon, but it'll give you an idea of what it's like out there.

 


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