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Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?

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Offline BlindWilly

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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2018, 10:29:55 AM »
Unfortunately not. This isn't a great time of year to be getting into the backcountry. I hope to get up there in late summer, so check back in then.
Will do, and thanks again.
As of now I'm still planning Dec 26th - 31st of this year out in the park again.  I'll bug you some more as the time gets closer.

While you're waiting on that, you may want to check out this report that I made for a trip in 2013 to the northwest part of the park.  We went to Chupadera and Cat Springs, several miles from Casa Ramon, but it'll give you an idea of what it's like out there.

Oh, I remember reading that a while back.  I'm going to re-read it again though... thanks for reminding me.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2018, 03:35:22 PM »
Unfortunately not. This isn't a great time of year to be getting into the backcountry. I hope to get up there in late summer, so check back in then.
Just checking back in to see how it went, if you were able to go.
I'm looking forward to my week out there.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2018, 03:51:07 PM »
You are going to have your adventure cut out for you Blind Willy. We have had upwards of five inches of rain in some parts of the park, so the backcountry roads may look more like creekbeds than roadways. Make sure that you guys bring picks and shovels, as well as spare air, hilifts, chains, and everything else you might need to recover and self-rescue. At this rate, we'll be busy keeping the main road open before you get here!
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2018, 10:58:40 PM »
You are going to have your adventure cut out for you Blind Willy. Make sure that you guys bring picks and shovels, as well as spare air, hilifts, chains, and everything else you might need to recover and self-rescue.

A remarkable contrast of access and attitude compared to the other place just east of Terlingua, where they close access at the drop of a hat and a few pebbles washing onto travel surfaces.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 10:18:08 AM »
You are going to have your adventure cut out for you Blind Willy. We have had upwards of five inches of rain in some parts of the park, so the backcountry roads may look more like creekbeds than roadways. Make sure that you guys bring picks and shovels, as well as spare air, hilifts, chains, and everything else you might need to recover and self-rescue. At this rate, we'll be busy keeping the main road open before you get here!
I've been watching weather reports from all the Facebook groups out there. I have seen a lot of reports of rain, so I believe you when you say it's been washed out.
I carry everything you suggested minus the pick ax.  Guess I need to add something to my equipment list.
Our little group is meeting this weekend to pre-plan, so I'll make sure I let them know the current conditions.
I'll keep checking back with you Ranger Tim, and thanks for the update.  :)
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »
The fact of the matter is that BBRSP couldn't maintain backcountry roads without the help of our users. We simply don't have the resources. Frankly, if users couldn't be trusted to help maintain our backcountry roads, we would probably have to shut them down to avoid resource impacts from people driving around obstructions and making new paths. We want our visitors to have safe and memorable experiences in our park but we are also committed to protecting the park from further damage, so this is the compromise. Road repair is too daunting for a lot of people, but we have found that many avid 4x4 "overlanders" find the challenge to be an enriching part of the experience. I just want our visitors to be prepared for the worst so that they can have the best experience possible.
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Re: Botella Trail vs Paseo Al Solitario?
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2018, 03:33:07 PM »
The fact of the matter is that BBRSP couldn't maintain backcountry roads without the help of our users. We simply don't have the resources. Frankly, if users couldn't be trusted to help maintain our backcountry roads, we would probably have to shut them down to avoid resource impacts from people driving around obstructions and making new paths.

I never thought of it like that, but I like that. 

 


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