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Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP

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Offline Joe

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Offline Roy

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 10:31:41 PM »
Now that's good news.  Thanks, Joe.

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Offline Al

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 10:48:35 PM »
The Nature Conservancy just moved up a notch in my estimation.  Excellent news.  Thanks!

Al

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Offline presidio

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 07:48:47 AM »
The Nature Conservancy just moved up a notch in my estimation.  Excellent news.  Thanks!

The Nature Conservancy is the only conservation group I have any respect and support for. They don't rant and rave, they just go out and put their money where their mouth is and take direct action.

They don't wait for agencies to get their act together, for public funding that usually never materializes or takes years to acquire, and don't have to argue the merits in a public forum...they just go buy real estate that's on the market. It removes a lot of the sometimes-often complaints about such preservation actions from adjacent landowners because when land is for sale, the person/group willing to pay the price gets it. It's hard for your neighbor to argue about that, since they could have bought it as well, and especially when the TNC does nothing that would diminish the adjacent property values, but in fact enhances them because there's no longer a threat of development or subdivision.

So much more effective and respectable than groups like the Sierra Club or the NPCA (that begs for money and puts out their pathetic '10 most threatened parks list' every year), yet have little to show in the way of any tangible achievements other than to assure you what a great job they are doing (and we could mail you more lists about our unspecified great things if only you'd send us more money).

Some Indian tribes now use this model as well. Rather than arguing the 'historical tribal lands' theory, which sounds good politically and socially (to a small group of tuned ears) but is about as effective as pissing in the wind since there is no way any land adjustments are going to occur, the tribes now just buy up adjacent lands when they go on the market. In their case they frequently will pay far more than fair market value to secure the deal. Acoma Pueblo in NM has aggressively used this technique.
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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 02:11:58 PM »
awesome news, it's always great to be able to go everywhere in your park  :eusa_dance:
« Last Edit: November 19, 2008, 02:15:32 PM by 01ACRViper »

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 05:03:47 AM »
The Nature Conservancy is the only conservation group I have any respect and support for. They don't rant and rave, they just go out and put their money where their mouth is and take direct action.

I am also an ardent supporter of Environment Texas  Luke Metzger and his team do a cracker jack job with limited resources - and have been instrumental in preventing such items as "Land Sale: Presidio County" and the prevention of the selling off of the Christmas Mountains.

Here is a good follow-up to the Big Bend Ranch Story that Joe posted. 
Big Bend Ranch State Park to expand

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Although the land, several parcels adding up to 7,000 acres, will eventually be open to the public, Parks and Wildlife must first assess the property's safety, said Scott Boruff , the department's deputy executive director for operations .

"It's dangerous to imply we'll just open this up and people will stream in with their four-wheelers," he said.

But over time, Boruff said, the department hopes to secure funding to create trails for horse riding, biking, walking and four-wheelers throughout the park. No black-top roads will be considered, to preserve the scenic location.

I sure hope they DON'T open it up to motorized four-wheelers.  Too much noise and destroys the scenic beauty - imagine hiking down through Fresno Canyon and being passed by a slew of four-wheelers.  Plus, trying to keep four-wheelers on a "trial" would be virtually impossible.

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Offline 01ACRViper

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 08:49:33 AM »
i second the motion to not allow 4 wheelers. motorcycles in the NP are bad enough (most often just the cruisers with preposterously loud exhaust), i don't want my precious silence to be ruined

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Offline westtex

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 10:39:09 AM »
In defense of the loud pipes on motorcycles, they do help raise money for the Big Bend trails program.
http://www.ridefortrails.com/index.html
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Offline 01ACRViper

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 11:48:26 AM »
well fair enough, they should still quiet down some  :icon_redface:

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Offline Joe

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 12:11:16 PM »
In defense of the loud pipes on motorcycles, they do help raise money for the Big Bend trails program.

Yes, motorcycles (not loud pipes), help raise money for Big Bend's trails, and that's great. So why modify motorcycle pipes to make them louder, or replace original equipment with loud aftermarket exhaust systems? 

The fight over preserving and/or restoring natural quiet in the Grand Canyon (because of aircraft overflights) has gone on for years.  Big Bend doesn't have that problem. So like Viper said, let's not ruin our precious silence.
The real desert is a land which reveals its true character only to those who come with courage, tolerance and understanding. - Randall Henderson

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 01:15:04 PM »
Go nature conservancy! They have a tract of land across the street from my house and it is great to have no development there.  Speaking of noisy motorcycles,  check out the ZERO X at http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/ to see one of the coolest bikes on the market.  No emissions, no noise, NO PROBLEM!

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Offline presidio

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2008, 04:10:11 PM »
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Although the land, several parcels adding up to 7,000 acres, will eventually be open to the public, Parks and Wildlife must first assess the property's safety, said Scott Boruff , the department's deputy executive director for operations.

The attitude noted above is a lot more troubling. Safety assessment is completely subjective on undeveloped land and skewed by agency legal staffs and others. People have moved across this land for 15,000 years and yet we now have to have a park ranger determine whether it's okay and 'safe' to let the public use their own land. Amazing.
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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 12:28:00 PM »
maybe we need the nature conservancy down here in east texas.  the caddo lake nwr (8490 acres with hiking, biking, equestrian trails and wildlife observation platforms) was supposed to open in early '08 and hasn't opened yet.

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Offline championbaum

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Re: Nature Conservancy Buys 7,000 Acres to Expand BBRSP
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 03:30:17 PM »
wow, really neat. and caddo lake is really great btw

 


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