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New Campsite Information...

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Offline presidio

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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 01:30:24 PM »
Mexicano & Papalote Llano & Las Burras & La Mota

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'Visitors are encouraged, though not required, to use designated trails and routes until they are knowledgeable and confident in their familiarity with the park to travel cross-country.'

This is a significant eliminaton of draconian regulations of a few years ago, when you were prohibited from hiking cross-country.

It would appear someone with an understanding of what 'public land' means has somehow gotten themselves into a position to make some badly needed changes. The place has gotten a whole lot more user friendly in the last couple of years.
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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 02:25:36 PM »
when you were prohibited from hiking cross-country.

Basically it all comes down to a lack of funding for TPWD for so long.  I know you don't want it Presidio as you will take care of yourself and would just as soon be left out there in the desert to die with a broken leg rather than being rescued  :icon_wink:, but the lack of employees made it impossible to mount a SAR if hikers wanting/expecting to be rescued became lost, in trouble, or over due.  Plus, there was no money for any infrastructure improvements at all.   

Thanks to those that voted for the increased funding of TPWD and "management" assistance from NPS, things have changed.

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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »
Kinda off topic but in the primitive zone it says vehicles must be street legal and have 4 functioning wheels....so no enduro's, no beemerchef........a re they afraid you would be tempted to cut cross country on  your bike or something?  :eusa_think:
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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 02:54:32 PM »


Yes, I'm sure it has to do with keeping people on the roads/trails and out of the fragile desert ecosystem.  Plus, gosh, I'd really hate to hear the sound of enduro's and four wheelers, etc. piercing the solitude.  When I did the Whim to the Rim trip last weekend, the sound of Harleys all "tuned" up really filled the air around the basin and made for a less than pleasant experience.

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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 03:36:40 PM »
Basically it all comes down to a lack of funding for TPWD for so long.  the lack of employees made it impossible to mount a SAR if hikers wanting/expecting to be rescued became lost, in trouble, or over due.

I doubt the staff has increased enough to make fielding a rescue team significantly any better now than it was. Lack of funding is a lame excuse to explain why things can't be done...sort of like 'the problem was caused by the computer'. Right. It doesn't require funding to be able to hike cross-country. It doesn't require funding to let a public that doesn't need 'services' use the land. This, of course, is the basis for how non-park public lands are managed and used by the public.

TPWD had enough employees back then to conduct pricey bus tours and escorted trips. It was about control more than staffing. Thus, it would seem there's been a change of attitude about the need for control that is behind the change. That is a good thing.

Hikers may 'need' rescue, but anyone going out there with the mindset of 'wanting/expecting rescue' probably should reconsider leaving home. Sometimes you can't get what you need, much less what you want or expect. A lot of SAR incidents are recoveries rather than saves and that happens even in places with good capability.

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Plus, there was no money for any infrastructure improvements at all. 

You don't need infrastructure improvements to hike cross-country. To the contrary, it's the lack of that which makes such a hike 'cross-country'.
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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 03:38:39 PM »
Kinda off topic but in the primitive zone it says vehicles must be street legal and have 4 functioning wheels....so no enduro's, no beemerchef........a re they afraid you would be tempted to cut cross country on  your bike or something?  :eusa_think:

Probably because the planners couldn't envision anyone with a touring bike going there. I doubt they'd have any success in upholding a ban on street-legal bikes.
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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 03:53:20 PM »
It would appear someone with an understanding of what 'public land' means has somehow gotten themselves into a position to make some badly needed changes.

Someone in the park service saw what it's like hiking/camping in the BLM.

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Re: New Campsite Information...
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2008, 12:52:27 PM »

 


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