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Title: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: elvis on August 27, 2019, 09:52:48 AM
Long time lurker here.

Made many a trip to the BBNP; but I feel the need to spread the love to the west a bit

I was planning to meet my buddy who is a competitor at the Tolbert\Fowler Cook-off 1st weekend in November.

I have a few weeks to kill, and want to discover BBRSP.

My plan is to haul the Yota-Toter and lil Truck down with my One Ton GMC, Beg the park to let me park it a Sauceda, and take my daily trips into the park from that central location.
That allows me a place to sleep, and keep my grub cool for the duration. (The Yota-Toter is a 25 foot 14k rated dovetail Equipment goosneck, with a Lance camper and room on the back for my 4WD.)

Question one.
If I were make the cookoff Nov 1st, would i be better off spending a week or so late October, or Early November?

I see the temps for late October\November are getting nicer. (https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/presidio/texas/united-states/ustx1094)
                                         Oct   Nov
Average high in °F:      87   77
Average low in °F:      56   43
Av. precipitation in inch:  0.98   0.35   


Thank you in advance,

Elvis
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise plase
Post by: rocketman on August 27, 2019, 06:21:55 PM
Welcome Elvis! November is a great time to be out in the Bend. Might be a tad cooler than late Oct, but you're only talking a couple of weeks. Plus, if you wait until after, you might have some extra grub for your exploration.

Got any pics of the Yota-Toter? Sounds like a neat rig. What sort of Yota does it tote?
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise plase
Post by: The Scorpion on August 27, 2019, 09:05:57 PM
I would plan on 10 to 15 degrees warmer than the stated average high temps.
But either time you picked is still great weather wise and lower crowds, just depends on if you want to be at the start of the cook off or at the tail end of it
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise plase
Post by: elvis on August 27, 2019, 11:29:45 PM
rocketman
Scorpion
thank you.

I am sure 90 degrees the 1st week of november is not out of the question..
as for my Toyota, it started life as early 4 runner, but is now built to be extremely capable off-road. I will post a picture as soon as I hang the new sheet metal. (It was time to reskin it.. rocks and brush takes a toll on 40 year old sheet metal..)
I will post a picture as soon as i'm done.

2nd question: who would like to join me on some or all of this trip. I have an open seat in the Yota..... you can drive into the park in a non 4WD, and get to see the park.

My intention is to spend about a week volunteering at the park, like I have done in the past at other State Parks.  If a Park rep is Reading this, IM me and I can describe the trades\capabilities I can offer.. and I can handle a shovel and a mop just as well. :)

After doing some volunteer work: driving most of the 4WD trails, and a couple of nights camping in the back-country.

i've hiked Guadalupe NP multiple times (McKittrick, Permian reef trail into New Mexico and back, Dog canyon) so I understand the risks and whats required to exit in the same shape I entered in.

I have an urge to see whats on the backside of the "nowhere" sign ;)
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: Txlj on August 28, 2019, 05:47:49 AM
The other side of no where

But really, enjoy out there. There is a lot to see.

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Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: steelfrog on August 28, 2019, 09:24:14 AM
This seems to indicate that highs are about 64 degrees in BBRSP in November, with the highest recorded in Nov "recently" of 82:

http://www.myweather2.com/City-Town/United-States-Of-America/Texas/Big-Bend-Ranch-State-Park/climate-profile.aspx?month=11

Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: Ranger Tim on August 28, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
You shouldn't have to beg to park your rig hauler. People do that all the time. The only stipulation is that the vehicle that you are hauling absolutely MUST have current plates and tags to be used in the park. Also, you should consider also hauling extra gas as we have none for sale in the interior. Feel free to call Sauceda (432-358-4444) for details!
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advice please
Post by: elvis on August 28, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
Ranger tim.
Yes.
Plates and registration. Got that from the road to nowhere document.
Am I allowed to bring fuel in standard 5 gallon jugs? ( California confiscated my standard gas cans at the border...  I had to purchase approved containers,  and had them stolen on the Rubicon trail)
I'm native Texan, and the fuel can rule surprised me. Dont plan on returning until the sting of the gas can debacle fades away.
Moab and ourey have the right attitude.

We all understand bbrsp is a delicate environment,  And there is no room for persons who do not realize this.

If you are working while I visit, it would be great to get advice on what to see while I visit.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: rocketman on August 28, 2019, 08:31:58 PM
Nice! I had an FJ40 that I discovered both Big Bend parks in a few years ago, but I sold it. Now I have a cherry '87 SR5 that needs to go to the Bend again.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: elvis on August 28, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Rocketman.
Those early trucks are worth gold these days.  My ride currently has a truck cab, as I could not locate a rust free body.
Luckily, the frame mounting points are the same.
My truck is my therepy, it allows me to burn off stress and let the creative side of me an outlet. It always gets looks when I pull into Sonic for a shake.
I'm finished with the paint, and will hang the new fenders next week. Cant wait to add a little desert pinstriping... adds character... ;)
I have a high school football game to attend tomorrow,  and might finish by next week.
Pictures then :)
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: rocketman on August 28, 2019, 10:48:51 PM
Good luck with the build! Lemme see if I can make an early November trip work with some buddies of mine. We went to the cookoff back in '13 when I bought my property on Terlingua Ranch.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: Ranger Tim on August 29, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
Elvis, I don't believe that we have any special rules regarding the type of fuel can that can be used beyond those dictated by the state itself. Obviously, I'd encourage the use of a type that leaks vapor or liquid the least, but that is my own unsolicited personal opinion. Gas cans make me crazy, so I tend to stick to the expensive fancy ones over the cheap plastic jugs.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: BlindWilly on September 04, 2019, 10:26:22 AM
Hey Elvis,
I've had folks I travel with use both the metal and plastic style Jerry Cans.
I got a killer deal on the overpriced rotopax and a buddy fabbed a custom mount for me.
I've gone into on a full tank topped off in Presidio (19 gallons) and my 2 spare containers (8 gallons) and wheeled/camped for a week.
The last 2 trips I made, we moved from camp to camp. Most of the time you have to backtrack back to Sauceda to check in, so there is a lot of movement involved.
Both times we ended up topping off with the spare then later going into Presidio to top off again.  Mainly because we were close by...
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: elvis on September 06, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
BlindWilly.
Rocket man

If you fellows can swing it, would love to spend some time over a bowl of red and have you give me some advice on what to see. ( I'm entering the Tolbert in the last minute catagory)

I think I will make a mid trip jaunt to Precidio for a plate of local ...
Any suggestions on where to go.
Little truck has a 20 gal tank, and will be taking two 5 gal standard fuel cans.. I can gauge my mileage, and refuel if needed.

BlindWilly; enjoyed your video's .... thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: westtexasrambler on September 07, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
The Bean has the best service in town and a great breakfast (Migas or Chilaquiles) and usually a great lunch special. 

El patio or Three Palms  - Asado plate is Puro Presidio

Tacos de Alambre (asada/ham and bacon with peppers and onions) @ El Patio






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Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: BlindWilly on September 09, 2019, 03:42:50 PM
In Presidio I've only ate at El Patio, and I can verify that the Asado plate is delicious.
I forget what I had last time I was there, but I remember I enjoyed it.
Well if you are in the DFW area, Grapevine has a Tolberts restaurant that has some great chili. In fact, I think he won an award or two, HAHA.
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: elvis on September 10, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
Yes. Tolbert could stir up a nice bowl of red. :)
I have a question for you, the group and Ranger Tim.
I think Bofecillas road has two many dips and tight curves for hauling my trailer into the bunkhouse.  (Its a 14k heavyduty front end loader  dovetail goodeneck, and only 25 foot but that dovetail does bottom when I nose the truck up a steep transition.
Flying Google earth shows Casa Piedra much more level.
With full awareness of Ranger Tim's logical stance on any long/large/fragile rv traveling on rough roads:
Are there any dips or rises that are more than 20 inches and a quick transition? ( less than 30 feet)
I can predrive the route after the cookoff, as I can leave the trailer in Terlingua for a day while my buddies recover for the event ;) but that's 100 miles round trip, and will require me to refuel.  I dont like to purchase diesel at low volume facilities.  That has cuased two past stalls at highway speeds when my filters plug.

Any report on dips/rises on the roads in will allow me to either modify my dovetail ( section it, convert it to a small flip tail or bottom the gooseneck at the pin to raise the tail. Fabrication is one of my hobbies.)
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: BlindWilly on September 11, 2019, 09:51:54 AM
I honestly don't know anything about trailers, but if I understand your question correctly, Casa Piedra coming from Marfa has some dips, hills, etc.
Bofecillos road from 170 is smoother, if my memory serves me right.
They both meet up with the main park road and that road to the ranger station has it's share of hills, dips and bumps.
I have a video from about 4 years ago of the Bofecillos road to the Ranger Station.  It's pretty accurate of the conditions from when I went back this past December.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FoPk_NdWa8&t=
Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: westtexasrambler on September 11, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
I would take Casa Piedra from 170 over Bofecillos from 170 (with a trailer).  There are some switchback areas with sandy bottoms in the middle of that route from 170 to the main park road and you could get bogged down/run into rocks that are washed into the road, etc.  if coming from Marfa I would go Marfa—> Presidio—> Casa Piedra (Presidio CR 4) —> main park road.  If Lajitas —> then 170–> Casa Piedra—> main park road.


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Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: elvis on September 11, 2019, 11:57:02 PM

I will be west bound on 170 from Lajitas on the way in and through Shafter and Alpine  on the way out. I will take that advice and run with it.


Appreciate the feedback, and hope to get a chance to say hello one trip.





I would take Casa Piedra from 170 over Bofecillos from 170 (with a trailer).  There are some switchback areas with sandy bottoms in the middle of that route from 170 to the main park road and you could get bogged down/run into rocks that are washed into the road, etc.  if coming from Marfa I would go Marfa—> Presidio—> Casa Piedra (Presidio CR 4) —> main park road.  If Lajitas —> then 170–> Casa Piedra—> main park road.


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Title: Re: Trip planning: Late Oct\Early November. Advise please
Post by: westtexasrambler on September 12, 2019, 07:39:21 AM
Bueno! 

Have a great trip!

‘Rambler


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