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Offline Schroeder

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Visting in two weeks
« on: February 26, 2008, 06:38:27 PM »
First, hello!
I didn't know this forum existed.....
So this is my first post and I come asking questions  :icon_smile:

I've been to Big Bend N.P many times but never spent time in the S.P.
Well I've done closed canyon numerous times but never gone to the interior area.

That's gonna change!
Over the years, I've avoided being in the region during Spring Break.
However, my son gets the week off so I decided we'd head out west.
We live in Austin and will be heading out in two weeks.
I plan to spend the whole time in the State Park.

So, now for the qs....
How does the state park handle the camping sites?
Is it first come first serve, or do you have to say which ones, which nights?
I was hoping we could just move around.....
We won't be doing very long hikes (he's only 6) but I would like to hear of some 'must sees', hidden treasures, or whatever else might be suggested.
We just like to chill out and enjoy the desert....

I saw a note on the portable privies. Any other 'surprises' I might need to know?

How are the 4 wheel drive roads? Nothing 'too' technical?
How would they compare to say the Old Ore Road?

I know I'm stacking up a lot of questions....
But I have one more.
Any idea if anyone else will be there during spring break?  :icon_wink:
It sure would be nice to be away from any crowds.

Anyway, thanks for any information you can lend to help us on our trip!
Scott

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 08:24:54 PM »
Here's a few answers.  You have to get permits just like at the NP for the campsite you will be in for the night(s) you will be in it.  Old Ore Road is a superhighway compared to some of the BBRSP back roads.  You have to realize certain of the roads are rarely traveled old ranch roads.  Even the high clearance roads off the main road are highly overgrown and will cover the sides of your vehicle with scratches.  Your vehicle will be very thoroughly scratched within just a mile or two.  Generally speaking the best sites require 4-wheel drive such as Fresno Canyon.  This thread is a good read:

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/big-bend-ranch-state-park-qa/remote-campsites-now-open-at-big-bend-ranch-state-park-t5089.0.html

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 08:40:33 PM »
I was checking with the ranger at Warnock a little over a week ago on that very issue.  He told me that they were opening new sites and trails faster than he could get time to check them out.  However he said to check at the Sauceda HQ about which roads were in what condition.  My truck is a 3/4 ton chevy 4x4 and he said that even that truck might not be able to clear some of the roadways.  So I guess when I go back in a month I will be stopping at Sauceda HQ to get the very latest updates. They were very excited to get folks into the back country as much as they safely can, so get the latest from the crews doing the work.

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 09:49:27 PM »
OFM, I found the rangers at the park friendly, helpful and practical.

Schroeder, regarding crowds in March?  We started going to BBRSP during Christmas to New Year's to avoid the crowds in the national park.  If the state park has more than 40 or 50 people other than rangers and volunteers I'll be surprised. Please report back, por favor!

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 11:30:40 PM »
You can always call the Warnock center or the Sauceda Ranch HQ to get any questions answered.  the guys working at both places are really knowledgeable about the SP, most of them have hiked or ridden over a lot of the park.

The rule about the portapotties is the same as it has always been, no change there.  Definitely stop at the Sauceda and get good, up to date info on the interior roads.  We've been on a few that were pretty bad, had to haul rock to fix the creek beds enough to cross.  Wonderful fun!

You should have no trouble finding a spot to camp even during spring break, the NP gets most of the campers.  Hopefully most of them won't find the SP, so we can keep it to ourselves.

Enjoy the SP, a couple of very nice short hikes would be Ajito Adentro and Cinco Tinjas.  They are about 1.5 round trip each.

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 09:43:01 AM »
Enjoy the SP, a couple of very nice short hikes would be Ajito Adentro and Cinco Tinjas.  They are about 1.5 round trip each.
Havne't done the Cinco Tinajas trail, but I hear it's got lots of interesting stuff to see.  For the Ojito Adentro trail, make sure you know how to spot Poison Oak, as there's a good chance of the trail having a lot of it.  Approach the spring at the end quietly and you just might surprise some local fauna.  I came across a lone duck out there, but didn't have my camera ready.  It was pretty surprised to see me and took off before I got recover.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2008, 09:45:00 AM by RichardM »

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 10:48:37 AM »
I was there last week for six days and drove all over the place.  The roads are old jeep trails (narrow) and because of the longhorns, there is mesquite all over the place.  I often ran over mesquite in the middle of the road that was as tall as me.  My Land cruiser is narrower than your truck and I took alot of deep scratches.  The underside of my truck is completely cleaned off of grease due to the brush scraping it clean.  The roads are OK but your problem is the washouts that cross the road.  The ass end of your truck sticks out far and may keep your rear wheels from getting traction when it rests on the top of the wash out. 
      Fresno canyon is a great drive about 13 miles one way.  Some brush that will leave marks but the raod is pretty good.  You will need low to get up the hill on your way out.  Getting out to the solitario is easy, just brushy.  Most of the campsites are not there or marked at all (ie. do not exist).  We did the Left hand canyon hike and it was alright.  Not as good as upper Burro Mesa pour-off in my opinion.
      We did a big loop around the old Rancherias trail and went to Guale on our way to Burras 1.  The raod heading out from the Sauceda is easy and took 35 mins to the pens turn-off.  The next leg along the rancherias trail is bad.  Alot of brush.  The trail to guale is fine.  The road out to Burras is  fine with a little brush. 
      I stayed at Pila Montoya 3 and it is nice but my favorite was Burras 1.  Burras 2 and 3 had tables and fire rings but no campsites.  #1 had a nice spot for one tent.  There is good hiking and climbing around burras.  There is a great pour-off in the bowl right before you go through the pass to get to Burra #1.
      They give away the portable toilet and the bags to use with it. 
     Pila montoya #3 already had cig. butts and TP on the ground so do the right thing and clean up after the other "naturalist" that have come before you.  Beware that there is a small grey fox that is not scared of people and hunts around for food and eats toothpaste dirt where people spit it on the ground. A nice touch is that there is a nesting owl across from the campsite and you will hear him when he leaves and returns from his hunt.  Very nice. 

If you are into wheeling, go now before it gets too organized and they close stuff on you.  Take a compressor and tire plugging kit.  Presidio is an hour away and is your closest gas stop.  Take extra gas if you want to explore the park.   
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 05:57:01 PM »
Wow, thanks for the responses.
I really appreciate them.
Y'all also have me pretty darn excited!
It sounds like the right place to go!!
I would enjoy going just by myself but taking my son is the next best thing.
I don't really care about the scratches on the truck...
As long as it can hold it together and doesn't get 'too' technical, I'm all for it.
However, my truck is just a stock 99 Trooper with all terrain tires....

I think I will give the HQ a call tomorrow and see what they think.
Thanks for the spots to check out.
Any more would be great!
Any useful maps or books?
Or is most of this place just unpublished?

Sounds like a true adventure!
Wish i could just stay there for a couple months exploring the place....
Oh well, I guess a week is better than never going at all.

Thanks again for all the posts.
Scott
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2008, 09:46:52 AM »
I just got off the phone with one of the rangers at Sauceda.
I'm pretty fired up about this trip now!
I kind of hammered down my dates so it looks like we will be staying 6 nights.
I was thinking about staying two nights each at three different sites.
If any of you were gonna do it that way, which ones would you choose.
I suppose it doesn't really matter because I know I'll be coming back....!
I told him I had a 99 trooper and he said he had a 90 trooper and has done most all of the roads.
So that was encouraging. He said the most common 'problem' would be tires.
He said 6 ply tires are the best...

Scott
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 11:53:20 AM »
I just checked my tires. They are GY Eagle LS with 4 ply on the tread (2 polyester cord and 2 steel cord) and 2 ply on the side walls (polyester cord). :icon_cry:  Any comments on this?
Thanks
scott
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 06:35:55 PM »
I have BFGoodrich all-terrains and they have 3 ply sides if you need a reference.  The roads are full of rocks which are more round than sharp.  Use 4 wheel drive all the time to keep your tires from slipping and getting cut.  If you keep off the skinny pedal, you should be fine.  Take a few cans of Fix-a-flat because they don't have a tire machine like BBNP.  Think about airing down if you cannot get up something.  Any lower than 13 psi and you may pop the bead at speed.  An air compressor will obviously be needed to get you Presidio.  But, I really don't think that it will come to that out there.
     The only map is the one in the park newspaper which you can get on the side of the road when you first get there.  All the roads off the main road are mark/signed.  The road out to Guale is signed also, but most of the smaller branch roads are not marked yet.  It just adds to the fun.
      My advise would be to make sure you ask if the campsite you want has a cleaned off spot for a tent.  Most all of them (75%) only had a stake marking where they will level off a spot later.  You are not going to get your 8 dollars out of most of the campsites.  Pack a shovel.  I concentrated on the roads and campsites south of the main park road.  The north side campsites may be a different story.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 07:15:33 PM »
Here's a link to maps.  Go slow and you should be alright but I would plan on at least one flat.  We had one go due to the thorn working out when we hit Fort Stockton which was very lucky.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/big_bend_ranch/map/

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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 08:18:00 PM »
Thanks for the added input fellas.
Elhombre,  I just had some friends recommend BF TA KOs....
Pretty pricey considering I just bought a set 10k ago....

I was thinking about staying our first two nights at one of the Yedra sites, then moving over toward the solitario and staying the next two nights at maybe fresno vista or one of the pila montoyas. Then the last two nights going down to Guale 2 or las burras.

Any comments on that itinerary?

Thanks again.
I'm really looking forward to this trip!
Scott
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 03:01:14 PM »
Fresno vista is a great place if the wind is not blowing.  It does have a completed campsite, just like Pila Montoya 2 and 3.  Guale 2 is the most exposed out of any I saw so if you hit it right with the weather, I would make that site the one you plan around.  I left a split-up pile of wood out at Burras #1, so enjoy.
      The BFG All-terains are best if you do desert driving in my opinion.  They are tough and better than mud terrains in sand.  The wider foot print floats on sand more than the muds.  They also hold there balance better.  I used to own bfg muds.  I 4-wheel in Utah and Colorado and for me they work out great.  Besides, money spent on getting me to a camping spot is money well spent.  The best part is, my wife agrees with me.  :eusa_dance:
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Re: Visting in two weeks
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 04:22:50 PM »
Well, I went ahead and committed to the BFGs..
They'll be on monday.
So I feel better about that.
I also called back and made reservations.
We are spending the first two nights at Yedra #2, the next two at Fresno Vista, and the last two at Guale #2.
So we'll get a pretty wide array introduction to the place.... :icon_biggrin:
If my wife was going she would have had this all nailed down two months ago..... :icon_rolleyes:
Just kinda my style I guess.
The rangers said they have showers, ice and water at the ranch, so that's kind of a nice touch.
The only reason I would leave is for gas.
Hopefully that won't be the case and we can just enjoy the whole week far from the clatter of society.
Thanks for all the help
Scott
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