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Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...

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Offline bam.bam

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Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« on: November 22, 2015, 10:08:47 AM »
I understand that you have to backpack your supplies  into your zone,  but lets say you chose a zone adjacent to a road, could you use a small cart to help with the 1/2 mile spacing packing in your  car side  camping gear.  I have car camping gear (all heavy)  I.e. be careful and walk down dirt areas and dont drag it over plants and stuff, of course... I dont remember seeing any  verbiage against helper carts spelled out in the rules manual (forget what that fancy name is)... I'm looking at zone camping  as a backup plan for primitive camping.  In the spring it may be necessary as when I looked at March and April of this year on El Campo, the Prim Sites looked full at times. Plus I do want to camp at some other specific areas not offered by Prim Camping...any help would be appreciated...thank s in advance big benders...
 PS small cart meaning "hunting supply manufacturer's"  make these  lightweight "white tail deer tote out" carts with one small wheel on back, two handles up front to pull and balance....two tote 200lb deer out of the boonies... this could help drastically , all gear with one trip,

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Offline ds9writer

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2015, 07:52:27 AM »
Wow!  This is a great idea if, as you said, it's not against the rules...   :great:
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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2015, 02:17:23 PM »
WOW.  You just opened up a world of possibilities...

My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place..... :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2015, 03:54:30 PM »
Jalco....ds9......j ust read through the BBNPS Superintendents Compendium ,,,,twice...... nothing mentioned  (can or cant) about backpacking with a pack wheel . Or nothing spelling out you must specifically pack it in on your shoulders .......I am designing one similar to picture but also with additional  rack behind the wheel  to keep excess wait off of me. Working on the details of folding it up now to make it super compact for transport. 
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My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place...
Jalco....I like the way your dad thinks.......

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Offline Zopilote

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2015, 07:32:03 AM »
bam.bam.  Good Luck with your project.  When i zone camp, i watch where i walk and try not to leave a trail to my camp.  But, that's just me.  Keep in mind that wheel-ruts can last for months in many parts of the desert.  As for the cart, one wheel and two handles.  If one was to push the cart ahead instead of pull, it would then be a wheelburro.  jmo
Jalco....ds9......just read through the BBNPS Superintendents Compendium ,,,,twice...... nothing mentioned  (can or cant) about backpacking with a pack wheel . Or nothing spelling out you must specifically pack it in on your shoulders .......I am designing one similar to picture but also with additional  rack behind the wheel  to keep excess wait off of me. Working on the details of folding it up now to make it super compact for transport. 
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My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place...
Jalco....I like the way your dad thinks.......

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2015, 08:39:59 AM »
Good point Zo.......I'm trying to figure out what is more damaging to the terrain,,, several trips to the vehicle to unload and then back to load out or one trip in and out. I definitely will not be in the soft areas such as those at the river, etc   Targeting this tire.... wider foot print to prevent leaving a track....
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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 12:33:24 PM »
Hello! Relatively long-time Big Bender and first time poster but I saw some confusion here and wanted to pitch in. This isn't specifically prohibited in the compendium but it doesn't need to be, most all of the park is a proposed wilderness area so the Wilderness Act rules apply, which means no wheeled or otherwise "mechanical" conveyances out on the trails or backcountry unless it's a wheelchair.

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 01:01:26 PM »
I remember seeing someone posting a video of one similar to this, but it attached to a backpack style harness so your arms were free
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Offline Jalco

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 03:42:07 PM »
Bam,

What about a mountain bicycle tire?

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Offline Reece

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 10:13:37 AM »
Get some lighter gear and go minimalist. You can't expect to eliminate all discomfort and you'll have a much more authentic Chihuahua Desert experience if you take on it's own terms.


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Offline wigfall

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2015, 10:31:45 AM »
WOW.  You just opened up a world of possibilities...

My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place..... :icon_biggrin:

Most deifineitly aganst the rules. Youd get a ticket, no different than the bicicle rule

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2015, 03:49:57 PM »
I've got to agree with Reece on this one. Zone camping was never meant for heavy car camping gear. I would imagine all sorts of resource damage with dragging coolers and cots and the kitchen sink over delicate crypobiotic soils, arch sites, and rare plants.  I wouldn't try it at BBRSP either unless you plan on keeping it very close to an established trail.
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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2015, 06:11:10 PM »
WOW.  You just opened up a world of possibilities...

My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place..... :icon_biggrin:

Most deifineitly aganst the rules. Youd get a ticket, no different than the bicicle rule

Yeah, you're right.  I'm still intrigued, however.

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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2015, 06:05:32 PM »

fm david
Team, you are correct,, see below'''''
Just wondering if a pack wheel is allowed to help with the 1/2 mile from road to camp during zone camping. It is not allowed in parks governed by the forest act but I'm not sure on the ruling bodies of BBNP. I.e. forest act does not allow roads, improvements, etc. But in BBNP their are hotels, tennis courts, restaurants, highways, etc.... Just wondering....thanks
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Wheeled carts or any wheeled equipment are not allowed in the background or off road. You will need to carry your gear.

And just to clarify, the restaurant in the Chisos Basin is in a developed area, and the tennis/basketball court is adjacent to the school in the residential area.
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Gotcha...thanks for the clarification Claudia.......
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Re: Zone camping is basically backpacking...but...
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2015, 11:19:45 PM »
WOW.  You just opened up a world of possibilities...

My dad used to say it's sometimes easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission in the first place..... :icon_biggrin:

Most deifineitly aganst the rules. Youd get a ticket, no different than the bicicle rule

Yeah, you're right.  I'm still intrigued, however.

Now that this contraption heretofore never was conceived of by the NPS as something someone would think they could use, but helpfully raised as a point of discussion by faithful members here, expect said device to be specifically mentioned and prohibited in the next iteration of the Compendium.
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